7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=OTGBionicArm]Besides, wasn't half the reason to pick him his deadly level 3 ganks?[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=PsiGuard]Guys I'm pretty sure Insec wouldn't be playing a jungler in game 5 of the world semi-finals if he was "extremely bad right now" or "just a pubstomper." He has some fallbacks that make him a weaker pick compared to Lee and Kha'Zix but he's far from awful.[/quote] He also picked fiddlesticks. As much undying love as I have for [[fiddlesticks]] he is pretty bad[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]His ult isn't that bad tbh. All you need is the right team comp to keep the enemy team in there. Also you don't have to use your ult to gank as Panth. it just helps. I'd say he's around average but he's not bad.[/quote]

[quote=I want to be a Blitzball]Mostly asked because I played him quite a bit before they removed the ult into w chain. And if Insec played him instead of [[Jarvan IV]], there has to be something that makes him work. In the end, I simply like really agressive/dive heavy champs.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]You know, in competetive, we lately saw Poppy and Swain, do you think Poppy and Swain are better than the rest? No. It is just a strategic pick.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]insec is a fucking monster, don't even try to understand what he does, the guy is nuts[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce]just because insec plays something and is successful doesn't mean it'll work out for you too sure panth has his early ganks, but what after that? I guess he can mandrop on top of a few people to scare them away from following in on an engage but other than that I haven't seen a panth be useful for anything in most games I've played I'd honestly prefer an eve in my solo q games to a panth if all we're talking about is ganks[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=XeresAce]I'd honestly prefer an eve in my solo q games to a panth if all we're talking about is ganks[/quote] Ok let's calm down a bit. [[Pantheon's]] level 3 + ganks are not that easy to pretend they're trash, he brings more damage than eve with a tradeoff in terms of visibility. But he ganks lanes with decent CC extremely well, pretty much guaranteeing a Flash blown (not to mention he may enable a successful dive due to passive). Most people just don't know when to stop piling up on Brutalizer's and get items that allow him to Man Drop and/or W into a team and not disappear in 0.2 seconds but a good panth player can be a very valuable early mid/midgame asset to a team. The issue with most fighter players up until my elo, at least, is that they don't know how to play their champs if they're getting pooped on (pretty much like many assassin players, who always play like they're Legendary).[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112]Pantheon is alot better than eve lol... Eve has super fallen off pantheon can at least snowball game well.[/quote]

[quote=I want to be a Blitzball]I never said it'll work because Insec had success, but more that Pantheon can still work even after the change while pretty much being the same. Also, isn't that Panth ult kinda like the most obvious sign for a team to go in? And in soloq going in works better than anything else, at least in silver-gold for me. I still think Eve does fine, just less valuable than the other junglers. Also, I simply prefer the stronger pre-6 of Panth over Eve and he has an easier time with his ult unless his team is completely behind.[/quote]