7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=Insomaniac]Sometimes I get [[infinity edge]] for [[pantheon]] (testing it in Normals) .. Because of the AD plus the increase Crit Damage for E .. Is it worth a slot ?[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Only if you are fed across the board and you could build AP and win anyway,[/quote]

[quote=Zordagoth]Definitely not worth a slot, the only time you should crit with Pantheon is when a guy is low, thanks to E passive, and generally taking a crit when you are low means death (unless you are poppy but who plays poppy O.O). You don't need IE to achieve this.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112]On top of that a jungler cant afford an IE... Even if i was fucken dominating on my best game on pantheon ever i would never buy IE.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112][quote=PsiGuard][quote=Cooper112][quote=PsiGuard][quote=Insomaniac]What are your recommended items for [[pantheon]][/quote] I'm not h4x but maybe I can save him some trouble. Early game: [[spirit of the elder lizard]], boots (mobility or defensive) and one or two offensive items. Usually this is [[brutalizer]] and [[last whisper]] but you can be a little more conservative and get [[hexdrinker]]. Roughly half of your build should be defense. [[Randuin's Omen]] and [[Banshee's Veil]] are pretty standard but there are alternatives or additions such as [[locket of the iron solari]], [[Guardian Angel]], [[Maw of Malmortius]], [[sunfire cape]], [[warmog's armor]] and [[thornmail]]. You might have to use one or two of these to fill out your build depending on how tanky you need to be. Example: [icon=spirit of the elder lizard][icon=boots of mobility][icon=youmuu's ghostblade][icon=last whisper][icon=randuin's omen][icon=banshee's veil] Example 2: [icon=spirit of the elder lizard][icon=mercury's treads][icon=maw of malmortius][icon=locket of the iron solari][icon=randuin's omen][icon=banshee's veil] That's how I build anyway. Not a big fan of most other offensive items like [[ravenous hydra]] or crit items. They just aren't worth the price.[/quote] Agree with this usually how u build him but black cleaver i never tried ghost blade what is so good about it pantheon spams ability is armor pen not good with cleaver?[/quote] Both are fine, I just feel like cleaver is pretty expensive (you have to save up ~1400 gold for the recipe :/ ). I usually just sit on brutalizer but I'm sure ghostblade and cleaver are both fine. I would probably go cleaver if I had 2 other physical damage champions on my team. Even though Panth is ability-based, ghostblade gives a lot of armor pen and you can use the active to get in range for a stun or stick to someone after your initial combo. Edit: It's worth mentioning that ghostblade is better early and cleaver is better late. It depends on how long you sit on brutalizer.[/quote] Most people dont really build bc any more is item trash or what? I even see most jayce players go for ghost blade now its like BC is good on no one... Riven i even see go ghost blade in high elo.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Mobility is still an amazing stat on LoL[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64][quote=Insomaniac]Sometimes I get [[infinity edge]] for [[pantheon]] (testing it in Normals) .. Because of the AD plus the increase Crit Damage for E .. Is it worth a slot ?[/quote] you should think of pantheons E passive as an execute rather than "always crit at X% hp"[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=Cooper112][quote=PsiGuard][quote=Cooper112][quote=PsiGuard][quote=Insomaniac]What are your recommended items for [[pantheon]][/quote] I'm not h4x but maybe I can save him some trouble. Early game: [[spirit of the elder lizard]], boots (mobility or defensive) and one or two offensive items. Usually this is [[brutalizer]] and [[last whisper]] but you can be a little more conservative and get [[hexdrinker]]. Roughly half of your build should be defense. [[Randuin's Omen]] and [[Banshee's Veil]] are pretty standard but there are alternatives or additions such as [[locket of the iron solari]], [[Guardian Angel]], [[Maw of Malmortius]], [[sunfire cape]], [[warmog's armor]] and [[thornmail]]. You might have to use one or two of these to fill out your build depending on how tanky you need to be. Example: [icon=spirit of the elder lizard][icon=boots of mobility][icon=youmuu's ghostblade][icon=last whisper][icon=randuin's omen][icon=banshee's veil] Example 2: [icon=spirit of the elder lizard][icon=mercury's treads][icon=maw of malmortius][icon=locket of the iron solari][icon=randuin's omen][icon=banshee's veil] That's how I build anyway. Not a big fan of most other offensive items like [[ravenous hydra]] or crit items. They just aren't worth the price.[/quote] Agree with this usually how u build him but black cleaver i never tried ghost blade what is so good about it pantheon spams ability is armor pen not good with cleaver?[/quote] Both are fine, I just feel like cleaver is pretty expensive (you have to save up ~1400 gold for the recipe :/ ). I usually just sit on brutalizer but I'm sure ghostblade and cleaver are both fine. I would probably go cleaver if I had 2 other physical damage champions on my team. Even though Panth is ability-based, ghostblade gives a lot of armor pen and you can use the active to get in range for a stun or stick to someone after your initial combo. Edit: It's worth mentioning that ghostblade is better early and cleaver is better late. It depends on how long you sit on brutalizer.[/quote] Most people dont really build bc any more is item trash or what? I even see most jayce players go for ghost blade now its like BC is good on no one... Riven i even see go ghost blade in high elo.[/quote] It can be difficult to easily apply cleaver stacks with most champions. Pantheon only finishes shredding armor after his whole combo. Basically if your team can't use the armor shred effectively, it's a lot of gold to pay for little gain. I still think cleaver can be useful if your team is primarily physical. I also consider it core on Wukong since you can shred a whole team with your ult really easily.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]I think it's pretty easily to stack [[black cleaver]] debuff with both [[pantheon]] and [[corki]]'s E[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Pantheon can apply it, but most of his damage is gone by the time your target's armor is shredded. You also usually get only one or two people in your E. This means that unless you have several teammates who can make use of the shred, it's not really worth it for your personal damage output compared to ghostblade. In Corki's case, it's not uncommon for over 50% of your total damage to champions to be magic. That's why you usually see [[sorcerer's shoes]] on him. I'm also not a fan of cleaver on ADCs because I think other people should be buffing your damage, not the other way around.[/quote]