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Graves General Guide by Pr0sD0ntT4lkSh1t

AD Carry ADC is not a style...it's a way of life

AD Carry ADC is not a style...it's a way of life

Updated on November 18, 2013
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Janitsu (569) | November 21, 2013 9:30pm
About your Caitlyn build etc.

If you are ahead, don't get Infinity Edgem get Bloodthirster

Bloodthirster > Blade of the Ruined King

Don't start with Yordle Snap Trap. It will set you behind if there is an early trade with the enemy.



And about your Ezreal build etc.

Blue Ezreal isn't really good anymore

Spirit of the Elder Lizard hasn't been an item used on him for like, 2-3 months?




And I'd update ASAP, since outdated information will be downvoted.
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Vanrig | November 21, 2013 12:18pm
Can you please update for the new masteries?!
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Nagaash (1) | November 19, 2013 1:10pm
I enjoyed reading your guide! I think you did a good job :)
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Pr0sD0ntT4lkSh1t | November 18, 2013 10:10am
Im glad we solved our miss of communication. +rep for you sir
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sirell (400) | November 18, 2013 9:18am
Ah, that makes much more sense. Seeing your reply in relation to Embracing's seemed a bit odd, but that seems a bit clearer now.
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Pr0sD0ntT4lkSh1t | November 18, 2013 9:07am
sirell wrote:

Embracing mentions bruisers, author uses Glass Cannon Jayce as example instead. Legit argument.

I would prefer to have the Last Whisper to penetrate the armor and kill the enemy faster with AAs so I can trigger their GA passive faster.


I believe we had a missunderstanding. I was talking about having TBC BEFORE Jayce had GA. And i didn't just ignore the fact that he mentioned bruisers. Lets see if I get this straight: IF they have a bruiser with armor, buy LW. If they have STRONG DAMAGE DEALERS with NO ARMOR and wich job is to FOCUS YOU CONSTANTLY, CONSIDER buying TBC if you need more HP while still getting a armor reduction passive. And that my friend, makes the 1% cases im talking about.

I honestly feel im getting way too much hate because of such a small % lol, anyways thank you for your opinion
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sirell (400) | November 18, 2013 7:37am
Embracing mentions bruisers, author uses Glass Cannon Jayce as example instead. Legit argument.

I would prefer to have the Last Whisper to penetrate the armor and kill the enemy faster with AAs so I can trigger their GA passive faster. Lifesteal should give you enough sustain to go 1v1 just fine against Jayce. If it's a team situation, you still want Last Whisper to kill your target as quickly as possible.

I think it was Astrolia who said that Black Cleaver is only ever taken in addition to Last Whisper and not in place of, and it makes sense, because the single target damage just increases in terms of % due to higher ArmPen.

Literally the only instance I can think of to consistently buy Black Cleaver is Miss Fortune and even then, it's not amazaballs.
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Pr0sD0ntT4lkSh1t | November 18, 2013 5:58am
Embracing wrote:

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@Why you wouldn't buy TBC when they have no armor

because once they see your TBC, they'll stack armor, and you've literally just put yourself so much behind the enemy.

Furthermore, EVERY bruiser buys armor. It's an undisputable fact.

Even when bruisers look for more offensive starts they go for Sunfire (armor).



Lets see it like this, imagine their top laner is a Glass Cannon Jayce. Jayce gets Guardian Angel as his LAST ITEM, and that's the only armor he will have. However, his MID GAME damage is pretty insane. So tell me, when Jayce is focusing you in a teamfight MID GAME, would you prefer having 35% armor penetration against him, or more HP and Cooldown reduction so you can resist his burst and kill him first?

You may say that this is just an hypotetically case, but that's why I said you will get TBC 1% of the time, it is only in very rare cases.
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Pr0sD0ntT4lkSh1t | November 18, 2013 5:51am
Mauiniko wrote:

Your guide is heavily flawed.
Number one... Vayne is a single target adc as well. I guess you forgot to mention her in that category also.
Number two... Do not put Twisted Fate and Teemo as adc's because that's like saying any ranged champion can be an adc. Just don't put them as that.
Number three... Twitch as a single target ADC is not completely true because of his ultimate in team fights...


Number 1- If you read carefully, you can see I say this in my guide:

"But, some ADC's alredy have the HP% damage in their kit, like Vayne and Kog'Maw. Even knowing they are still Single-Target ADC's, they are built in a different way so we can make use of their HP% Mechanics faster."

As you can see, I said that HP% ADC's are still Single-Target ADC's.

Number 2- Twitch is alredy in the burst class
Number 3- Not every ranged champion can be played like an ADC, but Twisted Fate, Teemo and even Kennen can, that's a fact.
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Embracing (353) | November 18, 2013 2:27am
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@Why you wouldn't buy TBC when they have no armor

because once they see your TBC, they'll stack armor, and you've literally just put yourself so much behind the enemy.

Furthermore, EVERY bruiser buys armor. It's an undisputable fact.

Even when bruisers look for more offensive starts they go for Sunfire (armor).
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9Ball (12) | November 17, 2013 8:29pm
Mauiniko wrote:

Your guide is heavily flawed.
Number one... Vayne is a single target adc as well. I guess you forgot to mention her in that category also.
Number two... Do not put Twisted Fate and Teemo as adc's because that's like saying any ranged champion can be an adc. Just don't put them as that.
Number three... Twitch as a single target ADC is not completely true because of his ultimate in team fights...


I think he did mention Vayne as single target champion and Twitch as burst, if I am not mistaken.

@author

btw, I liked your guide, better than many other champion focused guides, and your writing style is also appealing and enjoyable to read.
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Mauiniko (1) | November 17, 2013 6:40pm
Your guide is heavily flawed.
Number one... Vayne is a single target adc as well. I guess you forgot to mention her in that category also.
Number two... Do not put Twisted Fate and Teemo as adc's because that's like saying any ranged champion can be an adc. Just don't put them as that.
Number three... Twitch as a single target ADC is not completely true because of his ultimate in team fights...
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