so i used this for my first game with lee....

why not spirit of the elder lizard instead of feral flare ?

Your items don't make sense. Not that they are bad items or anything, but rather that it's hard to follow. Also it's outdated.

Your items don't make sense. Not that they are bad items or anything, but rather that it's hard to follow. Also it's outdated.

Your items don't make sense. Not that they are bad items or anything, but rather that it's hard to follow. Also it's outdated.

Thanks for this good build o/

I changed my vote. Someone messaged me about it. Umm, I like the grammar changes. It's still outdated, but I like the guide <3

I changed my vote. Someone messaged me about it. Umm, I like the grammar changes. It's still outdated, but I like the guide <3

I changed my vote. Someone messaged me about it. Umm, I like the grammar changes. It's still outdated, but I like the guide <3

Let me start of by saying that at first I ignored your guide. I, along with everyone else in this world, have the terrible problem of ignoring a guide if it isn't at the top of the list.

This guide explains his abilities and everything the same as the other guides, but in my opinion it shines when it comes to the actual build. I'd like to say that there is some grammar and spelling errors that you should really look into fixing (Such as improper use of "safe" and spelling "saving" as "safing") as they do contribute to the guide a lot. Also, anything that you have colored blue I would change to light blue because it is very hard to read that dark blue on the black background.The main point the guy above me had was that your build was outdated, and unless he downvoted you specifically to boost his own guide, he should come back and upvote you.

I for one, am certainly upvoting this guide. I love most of the build you have here and you keep this guide updated even though it has a low rating, which shows real dedication.

First off is the items, and I love your setup here. The top build by YoDA does not use Wriggle's Lantern, but intead rushes Sunfire cape, which I find silly. I love the Merc treads + Wriggle's combo, you get AR, MR, AD, MS, Lifesteal, a ward, jungle prowess, and tenacity. Talk about amazing stats for two items! These will set you up to head to head with most foes. When I started playing Lee Sin (Two days ago haha) I followed YoDa's guide to the letter, and it hurt me. The loss of Wriggle's and rushing of Sunfire combined with defensive masteries hurt my jungling and ganking. I soon learned that offensive masteries and bruiser items were a much better choice for me, and maybe others too. Phage + Brutalizer comes next, which is just as handy as the wriggle's/merc combo. You get AP, CDR, AD, HP, and a slow. Really great items! At this point in the game, an AD carry would have spent 5950 gold just on Doran's, Zerkboots, a Bloodthirster, and Zeal. We have 5602 gold worth of stuff here, and it gives us way more benefits, and most of it builds into better items! Really just amazing item combos here on this guide that I haven't seen in others. You then build Phage into FM and Brutalizer into TBC (Two of my favorite items) and tell people to buy either the armor or magic resist item. This is brilliant as it builds you into Atma's/Sunfire or Mercitar/Banshee's, which are all great items and sort of like situation-core-items. Now here I will be picking up Sunfire cape, as it is another one of my favorite items. Unlike YoDA I like to get this late game as it can really hurt you when under an enemy turret or trying to give blue buff away early game. In my opinion, rushing Sunfire is a bad idea as the stats you get can be found in other more useful items for leveling up. Then the last item (Unless you get rid of wrigglee's later, which I think is a bad idea even if you get the chance, since you lose ward-jumping) is very situational but also a very tough choice. I'd like to ask your opinion here on what you think is the best "standard" pick. Personally, I really hate most ACTIVE items, and so Mercitar and Ravhydra are out. With the items listed thus far, I will have 3308 HP, which gives about 50AD with atma's, plus armor and crit. BOTRK I like, but the active deters me. Randuin's is great and the active is easier to use Maw of Mal pretty much beats out Atma's (And gives me a sort of reverse atma's effect that benefits from my high health pool) by giving around 5 more AD, 36 MR compared to 45 armor, and two great passives. I think what I'll do is get that, and then very very late game sell wriggle's for BOTRK.

So the final build for me would be BOTRK, Merctreads, FM, TBC, Sunfire, and Maw of Mal, thoughts on this?

Now I'd like to talk about your masteries. First of all, the mastery section is whack and you need to look at those mastery lists and fix them, and also maybe expand and explain on your choices. I think it is important to note that you take Lethality and Frenzy when you have no extra crit or crit damage (Unless you get the 15% crit from atmas) and so those masteries are not very good. I would recommend changing it to 3 points in Havoc for the extra %dmg. I like your defense masteries but personally I run with a point in Summoner's resolve for the extra smite gold (Helps a bit) and one in Bladed armor (You don't really need this and other people should probably put a point in hardiness, but I hate seeing masteries that aren't filled lol).

Your summoner spells are great, I used to like Flash but thinking about it, I hardly ever use it and in order to get a useful 21 points in offense you need to either grab the summoner spell one or the turret one. Seeing as the turret one is kind of meh, I think I will be picking up Exhaust or Ignite. Exhaust will help a lot in ganks but I already have a slow and the extra AD/AP from ignite on CD will help me jungle after I gank and use ignite to possibly get a kill (I like ignite too since a lot of times when I gank they seem to get away with just a bit more than I can tower dive them for). So I'll be running Smite/Ignite (Hey, they rhyme! and also both of the pictures are hands!)

Lastly I wanted to mention your runes. All of them are great, except for the ArmPen Marks. The AD marks will help out your jungling much more (Start of the game you have 8% armor pen and 5 flat armor pen, which is enough to deal true damage to everything except the Elder lizard and Golem, which you will have a leash and smite for) and they aren't bad against champions either. You could run 6 AD and 3 ArmPen marks, but I'd really say just stick with AD marks.

So yeah, great guide and I'll upvote. Note that I'm only talking about the jungler section, though. If you want my opinion I think you should make this a jungle only guide and beef it up with counters and more BBCode/images and get this guide to #1 or #2 because that is where it deserves to be ^^ And sorry for the long as hell comment haha.

Edit: For reference, here are my last 5 games using this build, feel free to put these in your guide! ^^ Note that on the third game, I got executed by a creep (Lag spike) and then a turret (Dived, got the kill, couldn't W out fast enough) and it set me back some, so I became more of an peeler/tank with a lot of assists.

Oops, voted wrong