Why so much CDr(Doesn't spam abilities late game), Zeke's is really a support item (not an AD carry item), no crit (essential for late game damage), no AP scaling on Sivir (So why Nashors??), AD glyphs extremely underpowered, AD seals also poor choice, no Defensive items(GA or runes). Overall, terrible build.

While I don't necessarily agree with the item choices, you look like you spent some time on this and deserve a higher rating just for effort, so i upvoted. The Early game choices also look fine, bonus points for encouraging buying wards ^^.

The one thing that bugs me more than meta-followers though, are the people who brag about not following the meta just because they can. This guide seems to fall into this category. You have admitted inside the guide that this may not be an optimal build, and I don't see why you are sharing a build if you know it's not optimal.

AD Carries scale well because of the nature of autoattacks: autoattacks are unlimited and scale with attack speed, crit chance, crit damage, and attack damage, which is more multipliers than any other role. This is why AD Carries are late game characters. In this build, you are ignoring crit damage and crit chance, so your damage will only be based on 2 multipliers, and only be half as effective as an AD Carry.

On the other hand, if you are trying to be an AD Caster, Sivir just doesn't have enough AD scaling for it to work. Boomerang blade has 1.1.....and thats it. 1.1 scaling in an entire kit. Most viable AD Casters today have 3-4 times that. This also means that CDR doesn't go very well on Sivir since your spells won't bring enough damage to a teamfight or allow you to fulfill any other role.

For items: i have no idea why Nashor's tooth is in there. Yes, it gives CDR, but as i said, Sivir's skillset doesn't really warrant CDR. You shouldn't be building AP period in a champion with 0.5 total AP scaling, even Tryndamere has more. If you replaced nashors with a more standard item (and maybe brought back CDR boots if you really want to stick to your CDR maxing), this guide might have a pretty good build.

Some minor issues: you say in the intro that "sivir was meant to be quick", but you don't build move speed.
Also, in pros/cons, "sustained burst" is an oxymoron. The whole point of burst is that it isn't sustained :P.

Hope this helps

Yea.. Im glad people like you are there. Taking everything cool and calm. Im open for changing that vote. But as you changed your build, it has some flaws still.

1. Ur right about that just because your build isn't meta, it's not downvote reason. So true. If it was that my comment was looking like, im sorry :/ I downvote this build simply because i find it ineffective to play with. The thing about it is.

2. You get Boots after dorans blade + B.F sword + Vampiric Scepter which is 2575 Gold. After that you get boots. I'm telling you, when you reach that, all opponents have lvl 2 boots, and yes you have most damage, but they will win on movement, able to chase you down with ease. You can't rely on your passive.

3. The thing is, that you make it worse for yourself. I like your style. I want a new metagame. I want to see people find new ways to win, like myself i thought of a 3 solo lanes, and 2 junglers.(Horrible idea but might be viable in the future). But still, even if it's different, you will lose 100% lategame, early + mid you will be rolling yes, and if you can force surrender you will win easy. I might consider changing my vote if you improve a little of this (especially boots). Im not telling you to change your build, which would ruin the guides idea. Just to clearify the ways of playing a noncrit early-midgame sivir.

See what you can do

~ThaKinetic

Addressed.



Did not know, thank you, addressed.


Advice taken, thank you.


Thanks for reading the guide!


First of all, thanks for taking the time to read it, sorry it didn't seem up to standards. I've updated it taking some advice, and I hope I have done a better job at guiding people.


I attempted to address this argument a few different times in my update, and I specifically addressed it in the Sub-Section "Fundamental Differences". I understand what you're saying, but, as indicated, I think it's really just different points of view on a fundamental playstyle issue. I understand why the meta is in place. I also understand that, until there is some new concept/item introduction/nerf in a patch, it will stay the meta, my silly build be damned. However, I don't think simply going against the meta warrants a downvote. I hope that my update has otherwise lightened your opinion somehow, but if not I understand. Thank you again for being my first vote, and thank for your opinion.

Im sorry to downvote this. But you haven't really understood what guiding people is for.

It's about guiding people to be better players. This is a no damager lategame, it has sustained damage yes, but no real damage compared to other carries. All that CDR lolwut? U know why the meta is the meta? Cause it's the most effective playstyle at the moment. Yes you can call it a different non meta way, but it's worse? U get boots far too late, you can't rely on hitting enemys. By the time you have your bf and vamp scepter the enemys have boots 2 and will kill you easily. Your a squishy carry still!

It is definitely a good effort, but I feel that the build is overall not that great. What exactly are you trying to achieve with this build on Sivir? I didn't understand what exactly did you mean by "This build does not follow the meta". Are you trying to max CDR? In that case, please remove your zeke's herald or Ionian Boots of Lucidity and replace it with something else. CDR caps at 40% and you have 55% CDR in your build, rendering 15% as wasted gold.

You should also explain more on your guide. Expand on laning, teamfighting, etc.

Let me know when you've made changes.