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Nice guide ;)
Thanks for support :)
You mad?! afjowebfoe :O
No sorry, I don't give a **** about trolls, congratulations for being a jerk
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Agreed with Phil & owned.
nice guide +1
Thanks for support!!
Those comments were before the rework, Zeke's Herald isn't anymore in the build, is true that it didn't worth a slot, I had to sacrifice the defensive boots for CDR ones to do it but now the build looks more solid. Thanks anyway :)
nice guide +1
If all Udyr had would be a stun from Blazing Stampede, he wouldn't go far with tanking.
Udyr deals ******ed damage with a mix of AD, Wit's End, Wilding Claw/ Wingborne Storm, has stuns, pushes fast and moves around the map really fast. He deals a mix of damage and doesn't need to buy any particular items for it. His stun had no cooldown (other then the 6 seconds one on the same target) and it's not a skillshot ability.
For Riven to deal damage you NEED to buy AD and you need to buy armor penetration, because everything she has is pure physical damage.
Well that's what I said, Riven's problem as tank is the damage, and I only compared her to Udyr in terms of CC, I know Udyr doesn't need damage items cause his Q and his R are so powerfull without items, in fact I play Udyr myself and have my special build for him, you can check it out in my signature, but I warn you it is really weird :D
The thing is that I can't make a DPS build for Riven cause there are many and so good ones, probably even the optimal DPS build is out there. I made this one cause I think it can work, from my experience they will focus you just because if not you will be constantly stunning and knocking them up, and you still have R as finisher, so just like Garen you are a threat to anyone low on life.
Anyway I agree that Riven needs some damage, cause if you don't buy any you are wasting a great potential she has. I think I will set the Offtank build as main build and leave the fulltank one as secondary.
I just like to be original and bring new things, not 100% sure they can work but I think is worthy trying.
Thanks again for the feedback :)
Why? Simple, Riven has two types of CC while Udyr has just one, CDR-Riven can stun you in AoE each 4 secs while Udyr can stun just 1 by 1 and can stun again the same target until 6 seconds later, and she still can Knock Up also in AoE each 6 seconds, plus free shield each 3 seconds. I think she has great disruption potential, just probably offtank build has more sense than going fulltank.
If all Udyr had would be a stun from Blazing Stampede, he wouldn't go far with tanking.
Udyr deals ******ed damage with a mix of AD, Wit's End, Wilding Claw/ Wingborne Storm, has stuns, pushes fast and moves around the map really fast. He deals a mix of damage and doesn't need to buy any particular items for it. His stun had no cooldown (other then the 6 seconds one on the same target) and it's not a skillshot ability.
For Riven to deal damage you NEED to buy AD and you need to buy armor penetration, because everything she has is pure physical damage.
Well first off I should add I have no idea how Riven's Q and R work so errr I wouldn't trust me on build advice either xD Gonna give it a try:
- You could try to make your guide look a bit more appealing, it is kind of leaning towards wall of text (especially at the end)
- Tank build pretty bad, Riven scales really well with AD so better buy some :P
- Same goes for all masteries, better max out stuff instead of taking only 2/3 in it
- Weird skill order to me, I'd prefer to take Q or W first... but like I said I suck as Riven :P
- You could maybe add a section about jungle Riven
- I also miss a warding section
- My personal preferred build: Boots, 3x Doran's Blade, Bloodthirster, Guardian Angel, Frozen Mallet, Maw of Malmortius, Atma's Impaler (in random order :P)
Enough tips/suggestions, my ratings:
Appearance: 6/10
Cheat Sheet: 7/10
Contents: 7/10
An overall 6,7, congratz on your upvote :)
Thanks a lot for feedback and support. I thought myself about a jungle section, but I need much more experience jungling before going for it, about tank build I also think it may lack damage (probably I will change the order so the offtank build shows first) but still has very good disruption potential imo.
The masteries, I will change them cause I've been told Honor Guard isn't worthy, but in defensive tree Enlightenment we just need 2 points to hit the CDR cap, so getting the 3/3 would be a waste, speed I will take the 3/3.
And about the warding section, I just feel like I will copy someone's else section, not an expert warding, and I don't like to copy.
Thanks a lot for the support and feedback, and also for answering that fast to my petition :)
Okay, hi, JekeMeMata =P
I'm unsure of whether this build works or not. Runes/masteries are just fine, but I'll have to either test the item build out or get someone else's opinion on it...
Some things about the item build that I don't like though...
Honor Guard is an awful mastery. If you take 1000 damage, it slices 15 off. Not worth 3 points, imo.
Ionian Boots of Lucidity. CDR is good, but since you're already getting Brut, I'd rather go for Mercs/Dodge boots.
Runes (Marks, mostly). Riven has such amazing AD scalings that taking anything but AD reds on her is a crime against the law and the people =P
Also, if you're taking flat armor pen. you diminish the efficiency of Last Whisper's %pen.
Now about the "tank Riven" concept.
From what I've seen. The most efficient way of playing Riven is going AD since she has AD ratios on every ability, including the shield. For the same reason, you don't need to max Valor 1st for AD build (although I see it working for tankier builds). She is more of an offensive top lane and not tanky lategame scaling.
I'll paraphrase TiensiNoAkuma (2.3k elo player) from our discussion about Riven's strengths and weaknesses...
I'm completely sure that Riven's main point of dominance is midgame when you have BT, GA, double doran's and Merc Treads (those are used for classic AD build). Just because of her ******ed AD ratios on everything, she deals so much damage. At that point Riven is strongest.
And from what I've seen, it's true. After that if you can take the chance and secure the midgame dominance, you win the game. If not, Riven slightly falls off if everyone gets to full build.
Therefore, I'm unsure of whether it's a good idea to try to stall and build like a lategame scaling tank or not. Personally, I just find tank Riven not interesting and not useful enough. She doesn't have amazing CC to tank and if you deal no damage, people might ignore you as well.
Hope I helped. For any questions, just PM me any time.
First thanks for the feedback, you totally convinced me about Honor Guard and about AD Marks, I'll be changing those soon.
About CDR boots, I won't change them they are core for my build, cause the build main target is to get the 40%CDR, 39% in the offtank build.
As I said in the intro the build is not thought for competitive ranked games, although I'm sure it could work. I just wanted o bring something original for Riven and suitable to my playstyle (I love spamming abilities nonstop :D).
About tanking Riven potentiall, I think she has good one, only problem may be damage, she needs to buy AD items to do decent damage, but in terms of CC, my CDR-Riven is superior to Udyr himself, and she has a low CD finisher to execute low on health fleeing enemies.
Why? Simple, Riven has two types of CC while Udyr has just one, CDR-Riven can stun you in AoE each 4 secs while Udyr can stun just 1 by 1 and can stun again the same target until 6 seconds later, and she still can Knock Up also in AoE each 6 seconds, plus free shield each 3 seconds. I think she has great disruption potential, just probably offtank build has more sense than going fulltank.
Anyway I want to thank you again for that fast response too.
- You could try to make your guide look a bit more appealing, it is kind of leaning towards wall of text (especially at the end)
- Tank build pretty bad, Riven scales really well with AD so better buy some :P
- Same goes for all masteries, better max out stuff instead of taking only 2/3 in it
- Weird skill order to me, I'd prefer to take Q or W first... but like I said I suck as Riven :P
- You could maybe add a section about jungle Riven
- I also miss a warding section
- My personal preferred build: Boots, 3x Doran's Blade, Bloodthirster, Guardian Angel, Frozen Mallet, Maw of Malmortius, Atma's Impaler (in random order :P)
Enough tips/suggestions, my ratings:
Appearance: 6/10
Cheat Sheet: 7/10
Contents: 7/10
An overall 6,7, congratz on your upvote :)