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Graves General Guide by SSibold

AD Carry The Outlaw- In Depth and Ongoing

AD Carry The Outlaw- In Depth and Ongoing

Updated on January 1, 2013
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SSibold | January 2, 2013 3:22pm
sirell wrote:

Firstly, no, it's not impolite to instantly downvote an incompleted guide (unless it was SUBSTANTIALLY completed). I would say, however, that it's impolite to hand people incompleted works. If you handed in an assignment to a teacher that was incomplete and they marked it down, would you say it was 'impolite, to say the least'? You will get marks for what you have written, but ultimately the works would fail unless they were substantially completed. If you ran out of time in a test, for example, that's fine. But here, there are no such deadlines except those you set for yourself. So, if you hand in incomplete works, you are only handicapping yourself, since there is probably no way I'd upvote it.

And Laggermeister may not be the most eloquent when it comes to criticism, but he is mostly correct. He is not flaming, but stating facts as he sees them. At the current moment, it IS bad to build Zephyr over Phantom Dancer or Statikk Shiv. If you consider him trolling, then you have quite a bit to learn.

I never had an incomplete guide to begin with. I merely stated I would continue to add more and that's why Laggermeister said it was incomplete and gave a downvote. You can disagree with me all you want about Phantom Dancer being better or worse than Zephyr but I specifically stated my opinion in my guide and have no reason to continually argue it here, but I thank you for you comments about the synergism between Infinity Edge and Phantom Dancer.
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sirell (400) | January 1, 2013 11:25pm
Firstly, no, it's not impolite to instantly downvote an incompleted guide (unless it was SUBSTANTIALLY completed). I would say, however, that it's impolite to hand people incompleted works. If you handed in an assignment to a teacher that was incomplete and they marked it down, would you say it was 'impolite, to say the least'? You will get marks for what you have written, but ultimately the works would fail unless they were substantially completed. If you ran out of time in a test, for example, that's fine. But here, there are no such deadlines except those you set for yourself. So, if you hand in incomplete works, you are only handicapping yourself, since there is probably no way I'd upvote it.

As much as anyone would like to consider that Graves is an AD caster, he is not. Hence, to consider him even remotely in such a light would be silly. AD Casters need primarily CDR, AD and armor penetration maxed. AD carries, on the other hand, maximise Crit Chance, AD, Lifesteal and AS. In some cases, MS as well, but mostly not. He is a burst-type AD Carry. In other words, he must still utilise the aspect known as 'right-click to win'.

Here's why Phantom Dancer > Zephyr.

Firstly, you have Infinity Edge, which gives 25 Crit Chance, added to Phantom Dancer, which gives you a total of 55 Crit Chance. Then, adding in your masteries, you'd get a total of 60% Crit Chance. In addition to this, Infinity Edge grants you 250% damage (a basic crit grants you up to 100% extra damage, making your damage 200%, Infinity Edge grants another 50%).

Graves may thrive on the AD bonuses to his Q and R, but to focus on these skills at the neglect of the primary ADC aspect is minimizing your own damage.

You may think that Zephyr is good for Graves compared to Phantom Dancer, but then I'd just tell you that right now, the public opinion is not that and the stats reflect that as well.

And Laggermeister may not be the most eloquent when it comes to criticism, but he is mostly correct. He is not flaming, but stating facts as he sees them. At the current moment, it IS bad to build Zephyr over Phantom Dancer or Statikk Shiv. If you consider him trolling, then you have quite a bit to learn.
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SSibold | January 1, 2013 8:54pm
CohibaNr1 wrote:

I think it's stupid to give a down vote because the guide is unfinished.
Also: I actually like that he chose zephyr. It's a brave choise.
I'd like to know why this wouldn't be a good choise (I actually don't know. Please explain it to me).

I also agree an instant down-vote is impolite to say the least. In regards to your question why Zephyr could be a bad item is the fact that critical strikes can only be applied via auto-attacks and therefore if one was to build Infinity Edge, which increase your crit damage it would be wise to also build another item increasing you attack speed and critical chance, hence the synergy with Phantom Dancer. If, however you were not relying on solely auto-attacks to do damage, such as an AD Caster this combination would be flawed, in that it doesn't provide the necessary AD or CDR that AD Casters require to burst high priority targets.
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SSibold | January 1, 2013 8:36pm

Lol wait what? You build Infinity Edge and you don't choose attack speed items which give you crit chance? All I can say is dumb.

And no, it's not to each his own. It's you being bad.

Troll harder, if you don't like my guide don't come back and try and flame me. I asked for feedback, but what you're doing is anything but feedback. I agree that Infinity Edge isn't and optimal choice on an AD caster and if you have a better suggestion I would more than welcome a replacement item, otherwise please stop leaving negative and unneeded comments.
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Laggermeister (242) | December 28, 2012 11:48am
Publishing an incomplete guide is bad and undesirable, and if I had my way, it'd be against site regulations. (In fact I strongly feel that it should be.) If your guide isn't ready for the public to read, why hit publish? And if you do, what right do you even have to say that giving downvotes for incomplete guides is stupid? Because I'm unable to evaluate the guide based on its full strengths, seeing that it isn't even complete.

Crit chance is a chance to deal double damage on your autoattacks. 250% damage if you have Infinity Edge. That is huge (for an AD carry). It's certainly better than 20 more AD. Yes, Graves has a strong caster skill set, but build him pure caster and his damage plummets late game. He can go a long way to late-mid or early-late game with no attack speed items, but when he gets to the point where he does need them, Zephyr is not such a good choice.
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CohibaNr1 (1) | December 28, 2012 2:48am
Voted +1
I think it's stupid to give a down vote because the guide is unfinished.
Also: I actually like that he chose zephyr. It's a brave choise.
I'd like to know why this wouldn't be a good choise (I actually don't know. Please explain it to me).
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Laggermeister (242) | December 27, 2012 3:39am
Lol wait what? You build Infinity Edge and you don't choose attack speed items which give you crit chance? All I can say is dumb.

And no, it's not to each his own. It's you being bad.
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SSibold | December 26, 2012 9:32pm
sirell wrote:

Zephyr doesn't synergise with Infinity Edge at all. ADCs don't usually have enough defensive power to withstand CCs anyway, so Tenacity is practically a wasted stat. 20 AD is negligible compared to damage done by Crit Hits. CDR is nice, but auto-attacks work too.

To each his/her own. I agree it doesn't synergise well with Infinity Edge but I'm not trying to build up crit chance since Graves is and AD Caster. 20 AD is a bigger than it seems when it adds 60 damage to his burst and you get this item at early levels.
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sirell (400) | December 26, 2012 7:58pm
Zephyr doesn't synergise with Infinity Edge at all. ADCs don't usually have enough defensive power to withstand CCs anyway, so Tenacity is practically a wasted stat. 20 AD is negligible compared to damage done by Crit Hits. CDR is nice, but auto-attacks work too.
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SSibold | December 25, 2012 11:05pm
sirell wrote:

2 Infinity Edges fail. UNIQUE passive.

Tiamat/ Ravenous Hydra fail. You know the passive doesn't work and the stats aren't worth building for, especially compared to Infinity Edge, the item you seek to replace. That you even consider it as a possibility is worth a -1. +50% boost on crit hits? You want to replace that?

Zephyr is subpar compared to Phantom Dancer or Statikk Shiv.

Typical build is pretty bad as it is.

On the topic of Zypher over PD how is Zypher "subpar"? Did you read the section on PD vs Zephyr? The only stat you lose is crit chance and you gain twice the movement speed,Tenacity,CDR and AD.
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