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So I read around the internet ALOT and I was just curious about what could be better Flad AD Quints for a jungler of Armor Pen Quints, and I realize that alot of factors may come into play so I'll mention the character I specifically am asking for is Nocturne.

My Masteries will be 21/0/9 (Taking crit chance/damage and lifesteal going down)
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Marks: 3 atk speed/6 ArP (Might take out 3ArP and put in 3Atk,Spd [Advice on this too pls])
Seals: 9 Armor
Glyphs: 9 MR/lvl

So would it be useful in taking the flat damage quints over armor pen to speed up my jungle? Also If i'm not mistaken this will add slight sustainability to my route because I start with a vamp scepter stealing more hp.

I am a rather advanced player/jungler so I would like advice from someone who is very talented in jungling and League of Legends in general.

Any Help is appreciated
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Legendarsreign » December 22, 2011 10:34pm | Report
As for your runes, I would run 3 Greater Quintessence of Attack Damage and 9 Greater Mark of Desolation, I don't tend to mix 3 of this and 6 of that i just 3,9,9,9.

Think of it this way:

(IM ONLY CALCULATING MARKS, JUST FOR EXAMPLE) XD
If someone has 50 armor here's the formula to determine how much damage your actually doing

I make the assumption that you have 100 DPS and your opponent has 50 armor :)

How to Calculate Armor?
100/(100+Armor)

100/150 = .6666666667

so you do 67% of your total damage(33% reduced AD)(i think it rounds up i can't remember)

So if your DPS was 100 you now would only deal 67 DPS... quite lower... (100 * .67) ...lol

9 Greater Mark of Desolation
However if you have the ArP marks... 1.66 * 9 = 14.94 (lets just say 15 to make this easy)

So now they only have 35 armor... 100/135 = .74 = 74% reduced total damage(100 * .74) = 74

VS 8.55 DPS from 9 Greater Mark of Attack Damage

This puts you at 108.55 DPS (109)

so now you still do 67% reduced damage... (109 * .67) = 73

73 DPS versus 74 DPS? Not a real big difference there...



Seems like not much of a difference right?

How about lets move up to 300 DPS your doing towards late game...

300 DPS * .74(with the ArP marks) = 222 DPS

309 DPS * .67(with the flat DPS marks) = 207.03 DPS...

so in early game it doesn't make a huge difference, but late game it definitely does :)
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Temzilla » December 22, 2011 10:53pm | Report
For junglers, it is most common to use 6 ArP marks, and the rest either attack speed or attack damage, depending on the jungler.

Noct/Shyvana/Pheonix Udyr/Skarner attack speed, and junglers like riven or Trundle would use AD.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Phoenix0000ff » December 23, 2011 11:25am | Report
I would go AD quints. Getting a faster level 6 for Noc is a good idea. If you want to be more AD carry oriented then Armor pen quints are alright I guess but most players play noc in a tanky dps type way.

I think taking out 3 armor pen is alright too but there is a point when you have to start worrying about doing damage to heroes > jungle. I myself would opt for more damage against heroes because it's another card to bring to the table.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by DuffTime » December 23, 2011 11:31am | Report
I wonder if taking all AD quints and reds would be strong in lane and scale better into late game with crit and Last Whisper.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by Phoenix0000ff » December 23, 2011 11:52am | Report
I tried this and the thing is it's about the same overall but the item path is more limited.

Lets say x lane feeds and now you're like
WHOA I need magic resist

But then you need LW also.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep | Commend by DuffTime » December 23, 2011 12:04pm | Report
If I'm AD carry I'm probably gonna forgo the MR regardless.
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I see your point there but just saying a lot of AD's have decent build variance.
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Graves might be the "One" exception to an AD carry who can tank it up a little.
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