[NA] Inhouse Announcement

[quote=Maintained]As most of you know, there was a conflict over at this thread. So I hope we can discuss about captains again whilst ignoring that conflict that happened.. It will help keep things organised. Please (re)present your ideas here and together we can hopefully come up with something brilliant for the community. This is no longer a thread to argue whether "Captains" is a good idea or not. If you do disagree with it suggest what you would do to improve it. [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/forum/community-games/na-inhouse-announcement-34144?page=6#comment-1011603]Thread starts here[/url] [rule] [spoiler=Captains Explanation] After all the players have joined, two participants are chosen at random to be leaders/captains. These leaders will be placed in separate teams. Each captain must pick who they want on their team one by one. [/spoiler] Ideas/Suggestions/etc. will be posted below:[/quote]

[quote=Maintained][center][h1][b][u]IDEAS[/u][/b][/h1][/center] [spoiler=Points System by Utopis] [quote=utopus] I'm thinking about some sort of points system where captains start out with a small points handicap/penalty cased on on their own ranking. Picking Low ELO players would gain you points, and high ELO players would cost points. What are your thoughts on this? I enabled commenting from anyone who has the link, so you guys can also document your thoughts there. Some # tweaking may need to happen but this is just a start. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Z5Wh0sZvkSx9hdBVbcVFytItYJOoSYienPwD7J4YUQ/edit?usp=sharing[/quote] [/spoiler][/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]I gotta be honest, this leader thing sounds like a terrible idea. What are we, high school students in a gym class?[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]It's a theoretically more fair way to distribute players on different teams. Just give it a try. If it sucks, let the host know afterwards and if it gets a generally bad reception we'll go back to the way it was done before.[/quote]

[quote=Maintained]What PsiGuard said. But that's not all; It is also a great way for members who are more comfortable with speaking to each other or with playing together to be with each other. We wouldn't want a call with nobody speaking, it gets awkward.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=PsiGuard]It's a theoretically more fair way to distribute players on different teams.[/quote]Not in any normal sense. Not to mention, it's also a great way to make anyone who isn't high elo feel like no one will want them on their team, because, guess what, NO ONE WILL. Nothing about this is any more fair than actually balancing the teams based on rating, it's just that balancing is more impersonal and less likely to feel straight up insulting. [quote=Maintained]It is also a great way for members who are more comfortable with speaking to each other or with playing together to be with each other.[/quote]*snort* so this is an excuse for people to drag their random friends into this so they can (hopefully) play with their buddy they could play with at any time instead of getting to know other MOBAFire members? Or just play with the same four people over and over again instead of actually bothering to talk to people. k. I mean, whatever floats your boat though.[/quote]

[quote=Maintained]Sure this idea may either be right or wrong, but that's why we're [b][u]TESTING[/u][/b] it. You should have been discussing it with me and the other referees but you clearly don't take your title seriously as you have no discussions with us (including many other reasons).[/quote]

[quote=utopus]MMM not necessarily. There are instances where it's not always best to pick the highest rated person available. Like, Moon + Taco are a really strong pair, and is probably stronger than picking me + another random person. There are also combinations that don't work well together. Like, having me + pulse on a team is probably detrimental to the team's success, because I always go out of my way to troll poor old pulse <3 Another example is how I'm weaker on a team when I play against Goodplays, since he always finds a way to catch me while i'm trying to BM him. While rank is a decent estimator of how teams should be balanced, there are other lurking factors that should be taken into account when gauging a team's strength. With this in mind, it'd probably be best if only regular inhouse people are the captains to start off - since they know everyone, and they'd have an idea of what combinations are strong. If people start talking and having fun, then we're really hitting at the spirit of these inhouses.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard][quote=Maintained]You should have been discussing it with me and the other referees but you clearly don't take your title seriously as you have no discussions with us (including many other reasons).[/quote]Can't be part of a discussion I wasn't informed of, just saying. I work more than full time and I have three jobs, if you want me to be involved in discussions you need to tell me these things so I can plan for them. But hey, I guess I'm sorry for having real life shit to deal with, it's not like I didn't just up and move to another state barely a month ago. [quote=utopus][spoiler]MMM not necessarily. There are instances where it's not always best to pick the highest rated person available. Like, Moon + Taco are a really strong pair, and is probably stronger than picking me + another random person. There are also combinations that don't work well together. Like, having me + pulse on a team is probably detrimental to the team's success, because I always go out of my way to troll poor old pulse <3 Another example is how I'm weaker on a team when I play against Goodplays, since he always finds a way to catch me while i'm trying to BM him. While rank is a decent estimator of how teams should be balanced, there are other lurking factors that should be taken into account when gauging a team's strength. With this in mind, it'd probably be best if only regular inhouse people are the captains to start off - since they know everyone, and they'd have an idea of what combinations are strong. If people start talking and having fun, then we're really hitting at the spirit of these inhouses.[/spoiler][/quote]That's basically what I was getting at. Basically this will [i]probably[/i] turn into one of two things: a popularity contest based on who's the highest ranked/cool or turn into "stick everyone on teams with their friends that they could just go play normals with anyways". In either case, the people who don't have friends or who aren't the "cool kids" will just get shunted aside until there's no one left to pick, which is pretty shit if you ask me. The issues with the inhouse balancing are purely about the spread of the rankings, and this won't make it more balanced. If anything, this only has potential to make things more imbalanced than before.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=PsiGuard]It's a theoretically more fair way to distribute players on different teams.[/quote] [center][img=http://i.imgur.com/RMixpuJ.gif][/center] It's only more fair if, and only if, the people who pick the teams actually pay attention to balancing. However, say we'd do this on EUW, and people like myself become a leader, then I'll probably just end up picking my entire ranked 5 team because [s]I love my team mates so much[/s] [s]I am a jerk[/s] those are generally the people I enjoy playing with the most. In other situations a lot of people will just pick people of high rating because they either want to win or they don't others to fuck up the game before the laning phase ends, if you catch my drift. [quote=PsiGuard]Just give it a try. If it sucks, let the host know afterwards and if it gets a generally bad reception we'll go back to the way it was done before.[/quote] I think people can do that, but honestly, on paper this doesn't even seem like a good plan at all. This really just feels like an easy out because balancing is such a pain in the behind. [quote=Maintained]you clearly don't take your title seriously[/quote] With that said, I'm just going to leave this here.[/quote]