Calling out a challenge.

[quote=HiFromBuddha][quote=OTGBionicArm] Sidenote: Most "smurfs" in bronze really suck at the game. They only seem good because you and your team, the people feeding them, are bronze.[/quote] Ding ding ding! You've hit the jackpot! He's right. You don't get diamond or even platinum smurfs in bronze, and you probably won't even find that many gold smurfs in bronze either, especially bronze V. And if you think I'm pulling statistics out of my arse, the placement and League system itself makes that incredibly difficult unless they are actually trying to lose. For one, people don't make smurfs to try and lose. If they were, they wouldn't be destroying you. Secondly, placement matches make it so getting placed into low bronze is incredibly difficult. You literally have to lose 10/10 of your first placement matches to get placed into your range of elo, and someone with even a gold caliber of skill probably won't get that low. And if they were, they would be out of there incredibly easily. Say they were placed there for some reason due to a terribly placement run or they were trying to lose, which like I said they aren't because they're beating you, then they would be out of there already or else they wouldn't be a smurf from a higher tier. They would be in your tier. The most likely thing is that their silver tier smurfs that got placed low. For one, the gap between Silver and Bronze isn't even that big (Bronze V and Silver is though, but you imply that you should be higher than Bronze V, so the original case applies to you) and secondly, Silver is the tier that you yourself are trying to be among. The thing is, if you complain and say that these people are destroying you, then obviously you aren't at a level to be in a higher division yet, in which case, you just need to get better. Not to mention the fact that I think you are way overestimating the amount of smurfs your against. Bronze is by nature a very volatile place in terms of snowballing. If someone gets a metric fuckton of kills, it's probably because your teammate made the first mistake, and they don't know how to play when behind, so they feed the one with the advantage more. Think of what I'm trying to say like this. Say you have a coin. You flip it. There's a fifty fifty chance of it landing on either side. It lands on heads. Then your coin becomes a three sided dice (I know it's impossible, just theoretically), with two faces being heads and one being tails. You flip it. Naturally, heads has a much higher chance of winning, so it lands on that face and then you have a four sided dice with three faces being heads, on tails. This cycle keeps on continuing. To apply this to bronze, let's just say everyone in bronze pretty much has the same chance of getting the first kill and snowballing. The issue is, when it comes to getting the second kill, no one plays differently. They interact as if they were both still on a clean slate. Of course, the guy that won the first time has a higher chance of killing the other if you were playing by the same "odds", such as rolling the die that I was giving the example with. Since the guy who got the first kill has a higher chance of getting the second, when he does get the second, he has a much higher chance of winning the next interaction, and assuming he keeps on winning since he has the higher chance to, then that's how it keeps getting out of control. Late game comes, and the difference is different guys go at this one guy the same way the original guy was, as if you had the same amount of kills. From my experience, people don't play from behind in bronze, they play as if it's always an even playing field. That's pretty much my theory as to why your games always seem to get so out of hand with one guy getting the kill. And finally, as harsh as this is, Bronze V isn't a decent level. I wouldn't go as extreme as OTG when he says platinum isn't "pretty good", but when you say decent, it certainly isn't average. Gold V is average, since that's where the highest concentration of people are. You're below that. Let's just say a kid is decent at going to school, as in commuting to school everyday. He gets there about 3 minutes late everyday. He's decent, he doesn't get there too late, he can still make first period, and we definitely won't say he's bad at getting to school because he doesn't miss anything important. Thing is, the majority of kids are good at going to school. They almost always rock up on time with some exceptions. IF the vast majority of people, the [b]average[/b] people can rock up on time, and the "decent" kid always rocks up late, then obviously he isn't average, just like how you aren't.[/quote]

[quote=Sirnikolai]Lets face the facts the majority of my Ranked matches have been "Support". I'm following the masteries 0-9-21, you think a support like [[Nami]] can actually carry with a feed [[azir]] i don't think so. It doesn't matter if I'm playing [[Jinx]] as my ADC, because in the end my support doesn't know how to ward @ all. I'm not going to babysit these players & stand by losing the majority of my games. " I need to farm" when 4 of us are trying to push "mid" against the other 5. Wait until my smurf reaches your lv30 it will be a different story.[/quote]

[quote=HiFromBuddha][quote=Sirnikolai]Lets face the facts the majority of my Ranked matches have been "Support". I'm following the masteries 0-9-21, you think a support like [[Nami]] can actually carry with a feed [[azir]] i don't think so. It doesn't matter if I'm playing [[Jinx]] as my ADC, because in the end my support doesn't know how to ward @ all. I'm not going to babysit these players & stand by losing the majority of my games. " I need to farm" when 4 of us are trying to push "mid" against the other 5. Wait until my smurf reaches your lv30 it will be a different story.[/quote] I feel like you didn't even bother to read any of the shit that was written with how generalised the statement is. Now, don't change the point on us. You're complaining about smurfs, not feeders in your games, so those were not the points OTG and I were addressing.[/quote]

[quote=Sirnikolai]I read it a bit until decent means shit in your view. Heck if I learn to JG first before support yes i would carrying them that's correct. Let me spell it out for you all idc about smurfs anymore i use it for a different term now. smurfs=kids which are terrible players with no lives. But i got work cya kids.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=HiFromBuddha] I feel like you didn't even bother to read any of the shit that was written with how generalised the statement is. [/quote] He hasn't read a single thing that anyone has said to him since he joined the site (probably in his entire life). You're all wasting your time.[/quote]

[quote=HiFromBuddha][quote=Sirnikolai]I read it a bit until decent means shit in your view. Heck if I learn to JG first before support yes i would carrying them that's correct. But i got work cya kids.[/quote] First of all, we never said decent means shit. We were just denoting your statement of decent being average, which it doesn't always. Secondly, I addressed the statement of decent being average literally in the last paragraph of what I wrote. There's no way you consider the majority of my comment "a bit" since you don't read in the first place. [quote=Luther3000][quote=HiFromBuddha] I feel like you didn't even bother to read any of the shit that was written with how generalised the statement is. [/quote] He hasn't read a single thing that anyone has said to him since he joined the site (probably in his entire life). You're all wasting your time.[/quote] Hey, that's not true. He read about Toshabi calling him a loaded kid with Cash Shop items and he made it very clear that he wasn't a kid, and wanted to make sure everyone knew he was poor and couldn't afford NX.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]I'm 26, I have a job, a boyfriend and I'm Diamond 5, thus I fail to see your point when you bring your age and your job over and over. Also, if you're actually decent you can carry out of bronze in any role, support included. I'm not here to antagonize you or to say you're shit. I'm here to tell you to stop blaming your team mates, stop finding excuses and effectively start improving. Stop making little lists in your head of what you think you're doing wrong compared to what x guide says or x competitive player does, think what you've done wrong after you died/lost a trade/failed to save a team mate/failed to dodge a skillshot/failed to prevent a Dragon/Baron secure from your enemy team/etc. Think what [b]you[/b] could've done better at the end of every victory or defeat. It's really tiresome to read "omg team mate fed" as the only reason why you lost. Get more control over your actions; you have absolutely no power over other people's decisions anyway.[/quote]

[quote=HiFromBuddha][quote=FalseoGod]Also, if you're actually decent you can carry out of bronze in any role, support included. [/quote] From this long, well articulated and well thought-out post, I'm just going to focus on this and say that I mostly play support, and got out of Bronze 3 last season mainly playing [[Thresh]], [[Janna]] and [[Lulu]], with some [[Vayne]] in there as well. I can tell you first hand that his statement is true.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]The salt in this thread Like he asked for a challenge, he clearly believes he's worse than the rest of you. And half of you have the accounts to take him up on it, he's EUW.[/quote]

[quote=HiFromBuddha][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]he's EUW.[/quote] EUW?! Shit, well, I'm out.[/quote]