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Lord Kesharq trying his luck again (Season 6...

Creator: Lord Kesharq January 31, 2016 9:52am
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Game 15

Not much to say about this game, the other team owned us pretty much from the start, superior map rotaions, ganks and teamwork saw the rabble that was my team get soundly hammered by our foes.

Iv always found annie a hard match up no matter what champ i play into her, and this game was no diffence, defo with her getting camped by there diana and our jungler giving her a free kill and a blue buff early in the game which set me behind even more.

At least my CS was ok...second highest of the game and highest on my team, not much else i can say about this game.
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Game 16

Well this was a intresting game, had to put up with 54 minutes of morgana *****ing about my kayle. According to her kayle is a useless champion that shouldnt be played due to the fact she is "useless".

Meanwhile going 8-2-11, saving loads of lifes, and helping ahri get fed we won this game pretty well.

Notes:
My CS was good this game, highest on my team, but gotta say am jelly of that Garen and i know my CS for 54 minutes is pretty poor (defo when pros are doing 100 per 10 minutes).

Should have ganked a bit more early game bot, but i decided to be selfish and ignore bot lane until i went dragon cos of morgana.

Arguing with morgana in the end game screen was pointless.
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Game 17


This game was rough, started off well, got first blood against yi when he tried to steal my blue buff, then was able to gank top but failed to pick up the kill.

Nasus then started *****ing cos i took 1 spell minon, and made it clear he wanted no people to go back top lane. Bot lane seemed to be doing well but Mid was struggling against there Heimerdinger, dying twice in a few minutes and losing her first tower before u could really do anything to help, and ganking a dinger is not a easy thing to pull off on the best of days.

Meanwhile i was able to get my Devourer finished by 20 minutes however Iiiaoi AFKed for whatever reason and bot had started crying. Top meanwhile spent the entier game just pushing top, he never once came to help us, leaving us in a 3v5 which the other team took full advantage of to hammer us mid and bot, we held on as best we could and Iiiaoi did finally come back at 32 minutes in but by then it was already too late.

Nasus who had spent the entier game *****ing and pushing top finally decided to come and group with us to defend the nexus towers but then flash dived into them before we could move up to support him as we were all in base healing, he then flamed in cross chat and left the game, we then fought a quick 4v5 and got murdered without really doing any damage to them and that was game.

Notes:
Nasus was a ****.

My CS was good this game, but only cos i was holding mid lane for like 15 minutes, i got very little jungle, and i dont think we even got 1 dragon this game.

Iiiaoi afk ruined us, as with that + nasus refusing to group and help us defend the base were we fighting 3v5s and getting dived all the time (nasus also only got down the outta tier 1 top lane tower...).
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Game 18


Rough, so so rough. This was a game of up and downs..

Good Things:
I was able to stay in the game despite a massive **** ton of counter jungling from there Udyr (said he was a smurf boosting a friends account out of bronze). I didnt get any blue buffs until around its 3/4th spawn and i got 1 red buff outta every 2 that spanned.

Got to try out the new jungler AP item on kayle, as i couldnt go Devourer while getting counter jungled so badly i went with this option, and i liked it i guess.

Despite the game being 1 sided i still feel i did ok.

Bad Things:
Didnt gank enough
Didnt really know what to do against Udyr, sure i killed him later on in the game but he was a beast and i could never solo him.
I could never find away to get the team back into the game, i also stole farm from Varus which maybe i shouldnt have but he was already pretty behind so i didnt feel to bad.
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Game 18


Rough, so so rough. This was a game of up and downs..

Good Things:
I was able to stay in the game despite a massive **** ton of counter jungling from there Udyr (said he was a smurf boosting a friends account out of bronze). I didnt get any blue buffs until around its 3/4th spawn and i got 1 red buff outta every 2 that spanned.

Got to try out the new jungler AP item on kayle, as i couldnt go Devourer while getting counter jungled so badly i went with this option, and i liked it i guess.

Despite the game being 1 sided i still feel i did ok.

Bad Things:
Didnt gank enough
Didnt really know what to do against Udyr, sure i killed him later on in the game but he was a beast and i could never solo him.
I could never find away to get the team back into the game, i also stole farm from Varus which maybe i shouldnt have but he was already pretty behind so i didnt feel to bad.
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I can see Kayle having a hard time against Udyr until she gets enough DPS to slug it out with him. That said. Early game you need help from your team to avoid being counter jungled. If they don't ward your jungle entrances/buffs there is nothing you can do about one side of your jungle being taken.

Ask your laner nicely to Ward your Red or Blue buff depending on what side of the map you are starting on. I prefer they do this at around 1:20 so the ward will last a decent amount of time, but it is hard to communicate that. Though how they do it will give you some information about whether or not you should gank for that laner. E.g. if they do it without whining or being an *** about it and they do it at the last instant they can to avoid missing lane farm you know you have someone that is probably worth ganking for.

If you find that their jungler is in your jungle a lot you need to pick up a Tracker's Knife and a Vision Ward. I'll even hold onto my Warding Totem. This lets me have four wards out on the map at pretty much all times. I'm not worried about dewarding, I'm worried about avoid getting caught in my jungle and also to prevent their jungler and mid laner from getting back alley access to my laners.

If you spot them entering your jungle ping them out and start moving toward them. Ping enough to let your laners know that you want to target them and hopefully your laners will converge on them for an easy kill. While doing that you need to continue to watch the mini-map to make sure their laners aren't following your laners, otherwise you might have a surprise team fight on your hands.

If your laners don't react and you don't feel like you can take them one on one, then look for a gank on the other side of the map or look to counter jungle their jungle. If you choose to counter jungle and have wards available drop them in their jungle so you and your laners can have an idea about their pathing.

Two other suggestion from reading some your other posts. Remember you have a thing called a Mute button. If you aren't getting constructive information from a teammate, mute them. Junglers already have way too much to worry about to listen to things like "******" and "my jungler never ganks".

Also you seem to be a bit hung up on your creep score. You are unlikely to match a laners farm numbers. IIRC 60 CS/10 is pretty good for a jungler.
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VexRoth wrote:
I can see Kayle having a hard time against Udyr until she gets enough DPS to slug it out with him. That said. Early game you need help from your team to avoid being counter jungled. If they don't ward your jungle entrances/buffs there is nothing you can do about one side of your jungle being taken.

Ask your laner nicely to Ward your Red or Blue buff depending on what side of the map you are starting on. I prefer they do this at around 1:20 so the ward will last a decent amount of time, but it is hard to communicate that. Though how they do it will give you some information about whether or not you should gank for that laner. E.g. if they do it without whining or being an *** about it and they do it at the last instant they can to avoid missing lane farm you know you have someone that is probably worth ganking for.


Yeah my team that game was not too helpful, warding was something we lacked badly, also my lack of exp in fighting against Udyr didnt help as iv hardly played against Udyr before. Thank you for the tip/info there, i shall remember to do this in future games, as you said its a good way of finding out if ur playing with "nice" people who will be worth ganking or not.

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If you find that their jungler is in your jungle a lot you need to pick up a Tracker's Knife and a Vision Ward. I'll even hold onto my Warding Totem. This lets me have four wards out on the map at pretty much all times. I'm not worried about dewarding, I'm worried about avoid getting caught in my jungle and also to prevent their jungler and mid laner from getting back alley access to my laners.


I believe i did pick up a couple of Vision Ward that game, however i was hardly making much money so i didnt want to drop much into picking up Vision Wards. Tracker's Knife? iv never used it before, would it be worth it over the red/blue upgraded verisons? after all the Red gives me some True damage to help in fights and the blue with its slow helps me to escape from him? I will defo use Tracker's Knife next time to see it and compare. I also did hold onto my Warding Totem till pretty late into the game where i switched it over to the Farsight Totem.

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If you spot them entering your jungle ping them out and start moving toward them. Ping enough to let your laners know that you want to target them and hopefully your laners will converge on them for an easy kill. While doing that you need to continue to watch the mini-map to make sure their laners aren't following your laners, otherwise you might have a surprise team fight on your hands.
If your laners don't react and you don't feel like you can take them one on one, then look for a gank on the other side of the map or look to counter jungle their jungle. If you choose to counter jungle and have wards available drop them in their jungle so you and your laners can have an idea about their pathing.


I confess i only did this once in the game, and nothing came of it, my mid didnt react and my bot laners decided to go back to base so i just got out of there. This is something i will work on more in the future (With hopefully better reactions from my parterns). Another thing i need to work on is my counter jungling, as i normally only do it when am ahead or i know the other team jungler is dead, and even then i only do it sometimes and never on none Devourer junglers. Thank you for the tips on warding in this aspect.


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Two other suggestion from reading some your other posts. Remember you have a thing called a Mute button. If you aren't getting constructive information from a teammate, mute them. Junglers already have way too much to worry about to listen to things like "******" and "my jungler never ganks".


Aye the Mute button is one of my best friends in this game, i make use of it quite often, dw i normally do mute ppl if there being negative and there is no way to talk to them (what i normally do is try and reason with the person/ppl first and if that does not work then i mute). I wish more people understood that, i really do. I recantly saw a video by a youtube called ScrapComputer on this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pC5qHBnnw4I) which i wish everyone who is not a jungler would watch.

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Also you seem to be a bit hung up on your creep score. You are unlikely to match a laners farm numbers. IIRC 60 CS/10 is pretty good for a jungler.


Aye yeah i always try to get 100 CS per 10 minutes,(iv always been told pro level players aim for 100 CS per 10 minutes) i know at my level that is something maybe a bit harsh to aim for but i feel i should work on it as best i can (also it comes from being a mid laner). I will try and aim for 60 CS per 10 from now on, thank you for that info.
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Most invaders are snowbally champions. Think Lee Sin, Shaco, Rengar, Ekko. Quite a few people play them for the early cheese invades. The thing is a lot of them don't know what to do if their early cheese fails. So not dying to it means you've essentially won your lane (in this case the jungle).

I quite often don't do my Blue or Red Buff in my first clear because you get too low, either in health or mana. Blue and Red Buff freaking hurt. Alternatively you can do them, but you need to either pull the buff monster into the brush to deny vision of you and the buff monster to invaders or you need to stand with your back against the wall of the camp area so you can flash over it if you do get invaded and are too low to fight.

My usual route Blue side is to do Krugs, drop a ward in the Red Buff bush, Raptors. Assess my lanes. If the enemy isn't pushed in Mid or Bot then I skip Red and go clear the other side of my jungle taking Blue buff first if I have a champ that uses mana. This gives me maximum up time on the map. The ward in the Red Buff bush is to spot invaders who will usually come looking for you there because if they can Smite steal your Red and kill you they are golden.

If your laners are pushed in, I will instead opt to take Red so I can gank at level 3. Now one thing I've found that can help you against invaders at Red (is that ward in the bush) plus kiting the camp in the opposite direction from the bush (think an inverted V where the bush is one leg and the other leg is where you want to kite the camp too). This will prevent a Lee Sin from Q'ing over the wall and the ward will reveal anyone that enters the bush given you time to get either Smite the camp and get out of there or go aggro on them if you feel like you are in a position to do so.

I'm still working out the kinks on Red side start. I have had two ***ehole Lee Sins in two different games steal my Blue Buff when I was playing Udyr. They didn't try to fight me, just stole my buff and ran off forcing me to go for a Hunter's Potion so I would have enough mana to clear.

Tracker's Knife - if you are used to one of the other Smite buffs then Tracker's will take some getting used to. You'll probably find yourself trying to Smite a target and have nothing happen, which can be disconcerting. I usually only get it if I'm getting invaded or I'm against an Evelynn. Against her you need to keep her buff camps warded if you want to have any idea of where she is at. However, I find that I'm counter jungling enough these days that I'm considering getting the Tracker's Knife more often. Being able to drop two Stealth Wards in their jungle can prove to be be very valuable. Also by running tracker's I feel comfortable running a Sweeping Lens or Oracle Lens in my trinket slot. Being able to both ward and de-ward as a jungler who is already going to be running around the map makes for a good combination. It lets you ward for laner's that don't have a ward out and clear wards near their lanes so the enemy laners have to be somewhat concerned about what might be in that bush.

I buy a Vision Ward practically every time I go back to base. If you kill one ward with it has basically paid for itself. If it spots one gank it has probably saved you at least 300g. Cheap at twice the 75gp. I constantly move them around depending on what I'm trying to do. If you are going to try and gank a lane with a champion that has stealth you will want to buy one before heading over for the gank. Drop the thing right in the middle of the lane. Vision will help you get back in games you are losing and help you snowball games you are winning.

If I'm not squishy, I usually let the non-squishes on my team buy the Farsight Alteration, unless we are pinned in our base. Then I will buy one too because it is too dangerous to ward or de-ward. If I'm squishy and I don't have a good way of bush checking, like Kayle, then Farsight Alteration is the way to go.
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PS - I did see the Scrap Computer Jungle Rant. Good stuff and helps to put things into perspective.

I also liked this one from him about how to cover your jungle entrances early lane. More people need to watch this and act on it. I also like how he mentions not standing certain places to avoid getting hooked over a wall.

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Game 19 (will reply to you Vexroth after this)


Bloody Shyvana....i should have skipped this game. Should have seen the signs she would be a problem for us when she refused to ban Tahm Kench but oh well.

Game went pretty well for the first 15-20 minutes, minus our top laner who i had on mute after just 5 minutes into the game. To sum up our top laner, she was ****, and desevers to be in bronze, She never grouped up with us, fed on purpose because "the team dont help me i wont help you" and yeah.

This game i mostly focused on Farming and ganking mid to try and get LeBlanc snowballing however the later this game got the harded and harder it was for us to win, the other team was too tanky and without Shyvana we lost our best engage tool while they had Malphite to start fights for them. Despite the top laner not being on our side we held on well and rallied the best we could, however the other team had full control of the map and i believe we never won a TF after around the 35 minute mark.

Still not sure what our top laners problem was but she threw a game we could have won with her.

Bad things:
Dragon control by me was poor early game but i was able to pick up two dragons in the early mid game at least.

My baron control/ rift thingy was 0, with shyvana being a prick there was nothing i could do to try and contest these.

Should have kept buying pink wards after 25 minutes. ( i did keep the Warding tringet till around the 40th minute mark but then swapped it out to get vision on the baron...too late as it turned out)
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