7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]Moon jungles Rumble as well from what I've seen, you must be sisters.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=BlueArtist]I don't think "___ is only good on some people" is a criteria for the tier list."[/quote] It is, however, an argument for why tier lists are silly to begin with. As an argument for why a champion should be lower, though, it is not; any tier list should assume that the champion is played to absolute perfection. Of course, difficulty should be considered, but generally one should assume the aforementioned statement. Because of these things, tier lists are never set in stone; certain champs will always be strictly better than others, but the effectiveness of most will shift based on what your team comp is and what you are facing, as well on individual skill. [quote=BlueArtist]Recently I've started playing Rumble jungle in norms, then ranked. An okay first clear, however after a sheen/runeglaive, I honestly feel he has the best clear out of all junglers right now. Ganks are average, but it is made up for in teamfights.[/quote] Even if it clears well, (early) ganks are incredibly important, which is why, especially at higher tiers, [[Rengar]] tends to be very hit-or-miss; his early-game pressure is very low, which is abusable through superior lane matchups. I suppose, if he can clear – a fact of which I am not certain of –, [[Rumble]] can be okay if you have the upper hand in all of your lane matchups, and are not playing against a jungler which can invade you easily.[/quote]

[quote=BlueArtist]He can clear well that's for sure. [url=https://youtu.be/qo_8DXcJwI4]Just went a game of jungle rumble and recorded a level 5/6 clear with a gank.[/url] The quality's the best I can do, it's laggy and choppy-I'm using a laptop. [url=http://puu.sh/mdO9w/09b5c6ffaa.png]First clear is really bad as I've said.[/url] [url=http://puu.sh/mdOh9/8322c4d8e8.png]A[/url] few of my [url=http://puu.sh/mdOiZ/b9a6fcec76.png]my[/url] match[url=http://puu.sh/mdOjt/a213ea8935.png] histories[/url]. Ganks rely heavily on the ultimate, and yeah any jungle invade affects the jungling very much.[/quote]

[quote=utopus][quote=GrandmasterD] I suppose, if he can clear – a fact of which I am not certain of –, [[Rumble]] can be okay if you have the upper hand in all of your lane matchups, and are not playing against a jungler which can invade you easily.[/quote] The fact still stands that this is a perfectly good reason why he should remain in the pits of the tier list. A jungler's success really shouldn't be conditional on whether the lane matchups your team has are advantageous to you[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Lol Trends: Champion of the week: crit Rengar Increase of the week: Miss Fortune Mechanic of the week: flashing Fizz ult after getting hit is super easy Itembuild of the week: poppy support Why of the week: devourer wolv minion block[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]H4x can you explain the rise of Quinn, in all roles, to me?[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=utopus][quote=GrandmasterD] I suppose, if he can clear – a fact of which I am not certain of –, [[Rumble]] can be okay if you have the upper hand in all of your lane matchups, and are not playing against a jungler which can invade you easily.[/quote] The fact still stands that this is a perfectly good reason why he should remain in the pits of the tier list. A jungler's success really shouldn't be conditional on whether the lane matchups your team has are advantageous to you[/quote] As stated previously, team comps and what you are facing heavily influence how well a champion will perform, a.k.a. the spot in the tier list. Especially farming junglers have, throughout the history of League, relied on strong laners because they were not good at ganking, especially not early-game. Examples of these are [[Shyvana]], [[Dr. Mundo]], and [[Master Yi]]. Whether jungle [[Rumble]] is good or not does not depend on that fact, it depends on how fast he actually clears and whether or not he is better than other champions of his class – the ones that farm a lot instead of ganking. If it turns out that [[Rumble]] clears far better than most, has a healthy clear, and is not as susceptible as most to invading – really mind the word ‘if’ here, because I do not know whether these statements are true or false – then I would say that [[Rumble]] is tier 1 under certain conditions. [quote=NicknameMy]Lol Trends: Champion of the week: crit Rengar Increase of the week: Miss Fortune Mechanic of the week: flashing Fizz ult after getting hit is super easy Itembuild of the week: poppy support Why of the week: devourer wolv minion block[/quote] [img=https://i.imgur.com/feMFxIz.gif][/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]Moon jungles Rumble as well from what I've seen, you must be sisters.[/quote] I don't really think its amazing, it's just fun [quote=GrandmasterD] As stated previously, team comps and what you are facing heavily influence how well a champion will perform, a.k.a. the spot in the tier list. Especially farming junglers have, throughout the history of League, relied on strong laners because they were not good at ganking, especially not early-game. Examples of these are [[Shyvana]], [[Dr. Mundo]], and [[Master Yi]]. Whether jungle [[Rumble]] is good or not does not depend on that fact, it depends on how fast he actually clears and whether or not he is better than other champions of his class – the ones that farm a lot instead of ganking. If it turns out that [[Rumble]] clears far better than most, has a healthy clear, and is not as susceptible as most to invading – really mind the word ‘if’ here, because I do not know whether these statements are true or false – then I would say that [[Rumble]] is tier 1 under certain conditions. [/quote] [[Rumble]] clears insanely fast, imo one of the fastest clears and he's really flexible and can start any buff. His clear isn't really that healthy though and I think his ganks are pretty mediocre. For reference, I think he has faster clear than reksai and about as healthy. His ult gives a lot of dragon pressure. I wouldn't ever put him under tier 1, he's too easy to invade and shit on early. This is how tier 1 is explained [quote] Best picks. Almost always good.[/quote] Rumble probably falls under tier 2 or tier 3 more[/quote]

[quote=Teemoshy]Nevermind to my [[quinn]] question. Probuilds is bugged with her or something. Am interested in OTG's question though.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]Quinn just has ridiculous pressure on all lanes as soon as that level 6 hits, and her damage is insane to boot. Her combination of mobility and power basically ruins the day of any champion without a dash, which is something that is incredibly powerful. Even if she has no lanes to gank, that level 6 allows her to get places fast to pick up farm, so even if shes been put behind its very easy for her to get back into a game. Rumble's clear isn't particularly bad or slow, but he has literally 0 dueling potential, and shit ganks until level 6. Even then, they are lackluster unless you have perfect ult placement.[/quote]