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7.4 Tier List + AMA

Creator: H4xDefender February 20, 2014 5:06pm
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I mean, Janna's consistently been sitting at >53% win rate for a while (often times >55% too), but that's moreso a statement that the people who play janna really know her kit well as opposed to her being disgustingly strong.
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graves top and jungle are both good. he has a ton of build options and his damage is insane.

gragas top seems ok. not sure where i'd put it right now.

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Interesting about Poppy being listed as a first tier support. When I first saw her kit, I thought she'd be a good support. And then I kept hearing about how Poppy support was "garbage." That shows I shouldn't listen to the loudest voices.

It's so wild to see Lissandra now as first tier mid. I never see her played in low ELO games -- like ever. I guess I'm going to need to watch some videos to see how she controls a game.
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MungoGeri wrote:

It's so wild to see Lissandra now as first tier mid. I never see her played in low ELO games -- like ever. I guess I'm going to need to watch some videos to see how she controls a game.


While i do think she is decently strong on her own this is one of those cases where the list very much shows that it's balanced toward high level soloq and competitive. You can get a lot more out of lissandra from teamwork and proper teamfights than you would on your own. Not doubting low level soloq, i'm part of it after all(if i decide to play soloq), but still.

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I remember a quote about Lissandra that sums it up perfectly:

"If you're running a dive composition and the enemy team is too and you have Lissandra on your team, you win."

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graves top and jungle are both good. he has a ton of build options and his damage is insane.


I played a ton of games this weekend -- and saw plenty of Graves jungle/tops.

In every game (at silver) the graves team lost. Yes he got a lot of solo kills and the damage is painful --- but the second you stun him --- he dies. At my level (low) the graves players are insta dying in team fights. I would much rather have a tanky top laner who can survive the burst damage of a team fight.(Mundo, Gnar, Tahm, Nautilus, Nasus, etc)
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Ixtellor wrote:


I played a ton of games this weekend -- and saw plenty of Graves jungle/tops.

In every game (at silver) the graves team lost. Yes he got a lot of solo kills and the damage is painful --- but the second you stun him --- he dies. At my level (low) the graves players are insta dying in team fights. I would much rather have a tanky top laner who can survive the burst damage of a team fight.(Mundo, Gnar, Tahm, Nautilus, Nasus, etc)


I assume that's because add jugglers require a type of teamcomp, not as heavily as some picks but to an extent, such as a tank top and a mage with control in their kit. Also low elo players are trash at positioning.
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First of all, thank you for making such an organized chart.

How often do you update the list? Have you accounted for all champs that can perform more than one role?
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you don't build graves squishy. you go warrior into fmallet, followed by steraks/maw/cleaver/etc, you arent squishy at all.

the list is pretty comprehensive, and i update it usually around once a week, depending on how much time i have.
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Do people actually go mallet? I've been mostly seeing maw steraks + youmuu / cleaver

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