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7.4 Tier List + AMA

Creator: H4xDefender February 20, 2014 5:06pm
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@Toxicarbon

1. you aren't close to a mid lane expert. i talk and play with/against mid lane experts everyday. an "expert" is someone who has played at LEAST at a challenger level for a significant period of time. i highly doubt you have.

2. winrate is a ****ty judging metric. if singed was so broken he would have a higher pickrate than he does, or even a single pick in any competitive league anywhere.

3. posting your ****ty plat level plays doesn't help your case at all.

on to your actual post though.

trundle is right where he deserves to be. devastating flex/counterpick but not something you send top every game. gangplank is a bit low. singed is as well, but not by that much. the champ has serious inherent problems. completely disagree with the rest of your top lane comments aside from maybe quinn.

you can argue janna and bard deserve to be tier 1, but they wouldn't be above anyone in tier 1. its a weird situation.

talked about adc varus not too long ago, tl;dr he doesn't have insane teamfight presence or utility that other immobile adcs bring. his ult is nice he can lane bully, but he can't avoid ganks at all, and gets dunked in teamfights unless you position absolutely perfectly.

rammus and volibear tier 1 lol

"wukong and rengar are doing very well" isn't an argument

as for mid, you cant just stick every champ in tier 1. that isnt how tier lists work. if fizz was even close to the best mid laner in s6 he'd be getting picked left and right not only in solo queue, but competitive too, but this isn't even close to the case.

lulu might be a bit low. tf is fine where he is. hes a risky pick that can win you the game, or get ganked early and have 0 impact. he also gives a free farm lane to basically everyone, which can be troublesome.
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@Toxicarbon

1. you aren't close to a mid lane expert. i talk and play with/against mid lane experts everyday. an "expert" is someone who has played at LEAST at a challenger level for a significant period of time. i highly doubt you have.

2. winrate is a ****ty judging metric. if singed was so broken he would have a higher pickrate than he does, or even a single pick in any competitive league anywhere.

3. posting your ****ty plat level plays doesn't help your case at all.


talked about adc varus not too long ago, tl;dr he doesn't have insane teamfight presence or utility that other immobile adcs bring. his ult is nice he can lane bully, but he can't avoid ganks at all, and gets dunked in teamfights unless you position absolutely perfectly.


Varus is strong as an adc I think; his laning presence is high and his trading power is really good, especially with Thunderlord's Decree as that just naturally works with him.

However, I do agree that he suffers in the mid to late-game where you cannot make a single misstep and if you're the only one who is fed, then you are not likely to carry. I think his teamfight is fine as his ultimate is actually quite punishing, but that's it. I think he's one of the best immobile adcs right now, but that isn't saying much.
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i like varus, I really do. when I look at his placement though, I just don't see who I'd put him above.
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i like varus, I really do. when I look at his placement though, I just don't see who I'd put him above.


I think he's better than Jinx, Ashe, and Draven. Jinx and Ashe feel beyond garbage now in the laning phase, and later they are just as immobile but their damage isn't higher. Also, Varus does not require armour pen to actually hurt tanks, which is neat considering Last Whisper got trashed.

By no stretch of the imagination I think Varus is actually great right now; immobile carries don't really work that well, but I do think he's one of the best, if not the best immobile carry as of now.
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i'd say jinx and draven still output more damage than varus. I'd say you could argue him above ashe and jinx overall but not much draven. i'll ask around and see what some adc mains think.
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STOP. USING. WIN. RATES. AS. YOUR. SOLE. ARGUMENT.

*huff* Anyways, gonna ask about jungle mostly:

Kindred. I get she's good but I just don't feel like she's the type of champion you can throw on any team and succeed. She needs teammates to be a strong frontline and provide CC and she just puts stronger requirements on team comp than Elise or Lee Sin. I personally think Elise's the strongest jungler in the game right now but I dunno.

Jax. I think jungle Jax is pretty cheese but damn it's strong cheese when it works out. I think he deserves tier 3 or maybe bottom tier 2.

Jarvan IV. What the hell happened to him? His pick rate at high elo plummeted and I haven't seen a J4 pick in dozens of games.

Shen. What are your impressions on reworked Shen in the jungle?
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First off, my rank was prolly higher than yours. I don't know why this page has such a toxic environment but I just assume you're a regular league player. If you're gonna **** talk, what rank are you? You think you're so bad ***.

Win rate is an actual statistic of games that have happened. It's a fact of something that happened. All of you who think that it isn't a good representation of solo queue is brain dead. Especially when you're targetting exactly what happens at a certain elo.

Also, I'm glad your NA friends are giving you the expertise that you have. Dopa, the best solo queue player in the world is a hell of a lot more credible than you are.

http://www.lolesports.com/en_US/na-lcs/na_2016_spring/teams/immortals

Good talk, Janna is the worst support and doesn't deserve to be above any tier 1 champs. #logic

Supports are 100% about your team comp and what you need. Janna offers a LOT of things that no other support can offer.

Any adc gets dunked in teamfights unless they position absolutely perfectly. I assume you're **** elo or you would know this. What are you even arguing ffs?

Wukong and Voli are destroying solo queue. You can stick to your champs and just lose to Voli and Wuk. I don't know much about top but I know what's winning and what's losing so the fact that you dis-credit what wins is a joke. Wukong has been a prestigious top laner for quite some time now.

Lulu should be the number one. Especially if you're talking about competitive play. She makes your adc turn into a manly Mf'er AND she can win any lane solo. She is also really hard to gank successfully. Almost all of last year, people spammed her all over LCS. Good talk. As I post this, A LULU SOLO KILLS LISSANDRA IN THE MID LANE from the LCS casting. I bet you don't even play mid lane. Twisted Fate is 2nd to Lulu because Lulu has great kill potential. If you think a 0-1 TF is useless, we should probably stop the discussion. I don't want to argue with bronze kids that don't know anything.

Btw, Idgaf who your friends are. Bjergsen and Pobelter are the only decent mids in NA. I'll be challenger in 2 weeks.
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Btw, Idgaf who your friends are. Bjergsen and Pobelter are the only decent mids in NA. I'll be challenger in 2 weeks.


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