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7.4 Tier List + AMA

Creator: H4xDefender February 20, 2014 5:06pm
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Okay, that escalated quickly :D.
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Hey H4XDefender,

I know a lot of this is opinion.... I love that you posted this so let's discuss :D

Tops, I'm shocked you disrespect Trundle, Gangplank, and Singed since they're the highest win rate Tops. I don't know many people that play Graves top but he is destroying most games. He has a diamond win rate of 57.5% which is un-heard of. I think that Yorick, Wukong, Rengar should all be moved up a tier at least. You're very fond of Lissandra which shocks me. Ryze is beyond broken also.
Tier 4, I think it's very silly that Pantheon, Singed, and Udyr are here given the fact they're above 53% win rate. In my opinion as a higher elo player, I HIGHLY respect Quinn top and I think Pantheon top is fantastic with the games ending faster and snowballing faster.

Supports, Really surprised about Bard not being at the higher plus Brand and Lulu. They buffed the AP support item so it's absolute torture playing against anyone who does damage. I think at least a few dmg supports should be put in tier one. Namely, Brand + Lulu. I also think Morgana should be raised because she counters every fkn champ in the game. Lol :P

ADC, Varus is doing really really well in KR Challenger. Idk if that's just because they go mid with him or not but I would give him a bump :P. I also thing Graves is worth bumping.
My Twitch 1v5 Penta. Just cause I can :P http://plays.tv/s/Ked6S5I9SYAv ! I do agree that he is Tier 2 though.

Junglers, I despise Rammus and I think he's Tier 1. Graves is highest win rate Jungler and should be tier 1. Wukong and Rengar are doing very well. I'm appalled that you have Volibear in Tier 3 because he is top 2 junglers right now (In all ELO's not just higher).


Mid Lane, Before I get started here, I must admit that I am a mid lane expert. I'm quite confused how Liss and Corki can be Tier 1, with Ryze, Lulu, Syndra, Leblanc, Anivia, Lux, Brand, Zed, Orianna, Yasuo and Fizz are all Tier 2. Ryze is getting re-worked because he is so broken.

"Fizz is the best mid laner in S6" - TSM Bjergsen.

I have 100 pentakills with Fizz from just the last week or two :P Plays.tv/toxicarbon

Karthus is decent mid. Talon is unbelievably good right now. Malzahar has the highest win rate of any Mid laners. Annie is ridiculously strong. Cassieopeia is incredibly good. (I can take her and beat anyone. Also, there are a ton of people 1 trick ponying her to challenger). Diana is a really good one also.

Sorry for the wordy email. Sure appreciate your list.
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It leans towards high elo soloqueue + competitive.


Champs that "carry" and / or have win rates don't imply competitive viability

diamond solo queue is nothing remotely similar to competitive play
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Toxicarbon wrote:

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Oh dear ****ing lord I can feel my IQ tanking
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If you're talking competitive Viability, you have more flaws than you had before. Where is Twisted Fate, Lulu, Zed, and Janna?
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@Mooninites,

It's very easy to just call someone out and disrespect them. Instead of posting on a forum in such negativity, provide the conversation with your insight. Only someone with a low IQ already would not understand that.


Also, provide me some credibility that you have. Provide your summoner name? I assume Mooninites isn't your summoner name because you're un-ranked........?
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Moon always trashtalks others, better get used to it. However, he's right that in some regards your claims are ********. First because winrate is a terrible means of measuring champion strength. Furthermore, your claim that Brand and Lulu are tier-1 supports is ********, they're decent but have very clear weaknesses. Finally, "I must admit that I am a mid lane expert. I'm quite confused how Liss and Corki can be Tier 1" are two statements that cannot co-exist. Either you understand why these two are so strong, or you're not a mid lane expert. Lmao.
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@Vynertje,

When I made my statements, I was mostly regarding to solo queue. I do acknowledge that solo queue and competitive play are completely different. I would certainly change a lot of my claims if I knew it was strictly relative to competitive play.

Aside from that, IN SOLO QUEUE, corki and lissandra are DECENT mid lane champs. This post should at least include that it's regarding competitive.

As far as competitive play, TF and Lulu are the best champs. The most team oriented and Lulu has been the single best mid champ for a long time. Lulu has great CS, great poke. Great support. Great kill potential.
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wat

Source on that? I've legit never seen a Graves build Fmallet on any lane/role, the builds I've seen are Youmuu's into Sterak's, with a Warrior beforehand on Jungle graves.



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I picked up mallet graves from high elo graves 1 tricks and then tested it myself. Found it was indisputably better than youmuu's when you needed to be a bruiser rather than a burst champion, especially in the jungle since you go warrior first already. Graves gets a ton of resists, but he isn't going to get them stacked in a fight without any HP items for longevity. I don't say this often, but I think pro players are tunneling on the build they see the most because graves is just an odd champion to be played top/jungle, and hes so broken that they can get away with those builds right now, so they just keep building it. If you don't need to be tanky at all because you have other champs who will fill that role, I think youmuu's into cleaver/steraks is fine. If you are the sole bruiser though? Definitely mallet. 100%.

@toxicarbon OH BOY

@Nicknamemy I actually do think nunu will be pretty good
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I mean, both of them are pretty high in the tier 2 list. I think that they are very fairly placed there too.

The post does say that it's intended for competitive play as well.

Also, you may be over romanticising lulu as well. Her damage isn't incredible, and pales to someone like Viktor, especially if your adc isn't someone who can really make use of her passive well (e.g. Corki, Draven, caitlyn, miss fortune)
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