7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=H4xDefender]up from tier 2* my bad[/quote]

[quote=HiFromBuddha][[Blitzcrank]] has always been that weird guy for tier lists. No matter how good you are at [[Blitzcrank]] and how much experience you have with him, you still have times where you just suck ass with him. But then there are times when you have absolutely no experience with him and you can land the most stellar grabs and turn the tides of a game with literally just one grab. He's just a more unreliable [[Thresh]] is my books, but arguably has a much higher impact than [[Thresh]] if you can get lucky. Otherwise, every other support pick is much more reliable than [[Blitzcrank]]. [[Blitzcrank]] himself has very little supportive qualities outside of [[Rocket grab]] and [[Power fist]]. In lane, he is really, really weak, which isn't what you want since it is primarily the support's job early game to help win the bot lane so the ADC can transition and carry the actual game.[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112]Thoughts on Tris? She seems alot better now she can play aggressive early game alot better her lvl 2 is really strong.[/quote]

[quote=Darealone]Here comes [[kennen]]...!!!![/quote]

[quote=Cooper112]in b4 wtf Kennen tier 3 he just won lcs game.[/quote]

[quote=I want to be a Blitzball]I think [[Kennen]] should be low tier 2, not because he's a great champ but simply because of his ability to beat [[Gnar]] and freeing up a ban. Not higher than low tier 2 though.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]I'll prob bump kennen up to bottom of t2. Winning an LCS game isn't an autobump on the list by any means, but having a decent counterpick vs some meta champs is good. Haven't played enough 5.2 to move those champs yet.[/quote]

[quote=I want to be a Blitzball]So long you're decent at [[Kennen]] you don't need to ban [[Gnar]] and they have to either pick it last if they're purple or give it to you if you're on blue side. Interested if [[Kennen]] might see play against other t1 top laners and how he does. That would really open up the bans and pickorder.[/quote]

[quote=HiFromBuddha][quote=I want to be a Blitzball]So long you're decent at [[Kennen]] you don't need to ban [[Gnar]] and they have to either pick it last if they're purple or give it to you if you're on blue side. Interested if [[Kennen]] might see play against other t1 top laners and how he does. That would really open up the bans and pickorder.[/quote] [[Kennen]] becoming a common counterpick to [[Gnar]] is not going to open up picks and bans. It just means that another champion is thrown into the mix of champions who are already really strong, and then a new brand of top laners will come and counter the ones made to counter the ones before them, who just so happened to be stronger than the ones even before them. Even though the meta and champions change, there is still only a tiny number of champions being picked and banned. We'll see some new guys, but it will not open up picks and bans, it'll only mean picks and bans is focused on another set of champions. This is the exact same situation as [[Trundle]], who rose into popularity because of the tanky top laners you were seeing. Him being a good [[Renekton]] and [[Shyvana]] counter only meant that him, [[Renekton]] and [[Shyvana]] were the only viable picks. [[Kennen]] won't be tier 1, as his only niche is a soft counter to only one of the current top picks up in top lane. [[Trundle]] was a hard-counter, which made big, tanky, raid bosses lose the tankiness that made them so threatening. In the end, [[Kennen]] still has all his flaws, such as a complete lack of things to do as soon as mid game hits. He literally becomes a walking [[Slicing Maelstrom]], and that's not enough for him to become a top tier pick. Don't get me wrong though, he's still a decent pick with a strong but unreliable ultimate. By all means play him. But one champion being a good pick against the best champion in his role doesn't make the best champion obsolete. He isn't a hard counter, and [[Gnar]] will still scale much better and be much more relevant than [[Kennen] will be when it comes to mid game.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]"I saw freddy beat youngbuck's gnar with kennen therefore counterpick" Sometimes people nee to not draw ridiculous concussions. Youngbuck is a shitty player and Freddy is actualy quite good. Freddy probably could have played evelynn top and still beat youngbuck and you'd all be going fucking nuts that eve is a counterpick to gnar.[/quote]