7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=theyouiporit][quote=Shuru]Good job forgetting trundle has a sustain passive, has high armor, and extremely potent ways to peel and adc and make the enemy weaker at the same time. Just read the guide instead of arguing with no prior knowledge.[/quote] Yeah good job forgeting he's op.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]i know one main reason why leona is not played in competitive is because she's too one dimensional and readable in her engages. any decent competitive team can play around her pretty handedly.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0][quote=RustySniper]Leona just has more in her kit than a trundle does lol if you have a good adc then you can shut down trundle early in the game with leo's strong early game cc. its no contest[/quote] Tbh that's not how the tier list works. You can't compare two supports and say, well one counters the other so therefore that support should be higher on the list. Thresh or Alistair are tier 1 and do basically the same thing as Leona except better, meanwhile Leona has an E with a similar cooldown to Trundle's but you can't land it on anyone :p Anyone can land a Trundle E.[/quote]

[quote=theyouiporit]@H4xdefender Quick question: I have always thought that [[swain]] was a pretty decent pick for the midlane, perhaps a tier 2. So I was wondering if you or anyone really could explain to me why is he not such a good pick. Thanks in advance[/quote]

[quote=Shuru]Primarily, his style doesn't fit this meta, in a meta of burst casters and roamers, a farming DoT style champions with tank stats just doesn't fit in. Swain is a bruiser mage in a sense, and lacks the burst required to work in the midlane, and his slow roams don't help.[/quote]

[quote=SpawnOfHell]I used to be a [[swain]] main back when I actually played mid but there are just so many reasons he's bad right now. He's a short ranged mage that needs to be in the middle of focus to do damage, and if he falls behind he's neither tanky nor damaging enough to do anything. His [[ravenous flock]] is unreliable and doesn't always hit the targets you want it to, he can't farm or waveclear as well as other mages, his burst is nonexistent, [[quicksilver sash]] invalidates 3/4 of his kit and he's more reliant on blue buff than [[anivia]]. The nerf to [[nevermove]] only made him worse.[/quote]

[quote=theyouiporit]So he's just bad right now. What kind of team comp could he fit in to deserve being tier 3?[/quote]

[quote=utopus]theyouiporit - you should kind of treat [[swain]] almost like an AP drain tank with zone control. He synergizes well with another tank initiator, like [[jarvan]], or more likely, [[malphite]]. A desirable team comp for him would be one that has an initiator and some defensive steroids for him. I'd imagine a team comp like [[malphite]]/[[nautilus]], [[elise]]/[[rek'sai]], [[swain]], [[janna]], and [[kalista]] would be pretty fucking busted. On another note, can [[alistar]] be like, S tier? Despite his [[triumphant roar]] nerf, he's still unbelievably powerful right now. [[unbreakable will]] just makes it so easy to tower dive like wtf[/quote]

[quote=theyouiporit][quote=utopus] On another note, can [[alistar]] be like, S tier? Despite his [[triumphant roar]] nerf, he's still unbelievably powerful right now. [[unbreakable will]] just makes it so easy to tower dive like wtf[/quote] Yeah [[alistar]] is pretty much the support to go nowadays. I don't know about diamond and up, but he's not played that much in other ELOs considering how good he's doing. I have heard plats that said he was useless just one week ago.[/quote]

[quote=AceStarZero]Alot of effort put into this - Nice work[/quote]