A thought I had about Viktor...

[quote=albableat]LeBlanc is no way an AP Carry. By saying AP Carry I exactly mean someone with strong magic DPS like Karthus, Cass, Anivia and such.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=albableat] LeBlanc is no way an AP Carry. [/quote] wat.jpg[/quote]

[quote=Jovy]wtf what is leblanc then[/quote]

[quote=albableat]AP Assassin?[/quote]

[quote=PerpetualDuplicity][quote=Luther3000] You are so completely wrong that I don't know what to say. Only a select few APs, mostly those that focus on DPS over burst, scale well into lategame compared to AD carries. For example, [[Ryze]], [[vlad]] and [[Karthus]]. AP carries are generally at their strongest in midgame, where their burst allows them to easily pick up kills. You have a guide for Leblanc, you should know better than anyone how poorly burst AP scales into lategame teamfights. [/quote] I knew I couldn't be the only one who felt this way.[/quote]

[quote=albableat]I'll explain later, if you guys really need it... g2g now[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=albableat] AP Assassin? [/quote] Now you're just arguing semantics. She goes mid, she builds AP, she attempts to carry the game by bursting people down and snowballing your team early in the game. She is an AP carry by the definition used by most players. If you're saying only lategame DPS mages can be classed as AP carries then you're saying there's only about five true AP carries in the game.[/quote]

[quote=ConMasterFlash][quote=Luther3000] If you're saying only lategame DPS mages can be classed as AP carries then you're saying there's only about five true AP carries in the game. [/quote] I completely agree. Part of the reason you send an AP mid is so they can get their mid game advantage fast. LoL would be boring if AD champs and AP champs had the same power curve.[/quote]

[quote=albableat]Yes, i'm pretty much saying that there are not much [u]AP Carries[/u] in the game. Here's how I view midlane picks for myself: I perceive the term "AP Carry" as someone with significant impact on the teamfight with either high, PERSISTENT AoE damage, heavy CC or both. Therefore, as pure AP Carries I would list the following: Ahri, Anivia, Brand, Cassio, Gragas, Karthus, Kat, Kennen, Mordekaiser, Morgana, Ori, Ryze, Swain, TF, Veigar, Viktor, Vlad, Ziggs. And tell me who out of the above doesn't scale into lategame??? With exception for Kat maybe... And if she's played well, she scales crazily good as well. Other example of midlaner would be support'ish carry that sets up kills for the team, while still dealing significant amount of damage. Janna, Karma, Lux, Lulu and basically any other support built with AP Someone like Akali, Fizz, Kass or LeBlanc would be an example of an AP assassin. Their job is to kill one person, most important target. They have the mobility and burst for doing so, but they aren't as good in teamfights after killing the initial target. And then you don't care if you die or not, if you contribute to tf or not... It just doesn't matter, you did your job. If you live, even better. Their lategame scaling is different. They still can kill, but they are limited to single targets. Alternatively there are AD casters/assassins like Talon, Lee Sin or Pant. Same role as an aforementioned AP Assassin, just scales off AD. I don't understand where am I wrong??? I think it's just a misunderstanding.[/quote]

[quote=albableat][quote=luther3000]Now you're just arguing semantics. She goes mid, she builds AP, she attempts to carry the game by bursting people down and snowballing your team early in the game. She is an AP carry by the definition used by most players. If you're saying only lategame DPS mages can be classed as AP carries then you're saying there's only about five true AP carries in the game.[/quote] And you are saying that anyone who builds AP can be classed as AP carries? That's just about everyone who has at least two AP ratios... Anyways, read my explanation above. I hope it will makes things clear about what I call an AP carry.[/quote]