[DISCUSS] What do you think about Karma, THE...

[quote=PerpetualDuplicity]^^ Laziness. Well said. I just wish CDR affected her Mantra.[/quote]

[quote=LaronX]It does ... You sure you do like her taht much? I just played her once and looked up some data and know that ...[/quote]

[quote=PerpetualDuplicity]Really? I was just commenting on how she feels. I always am running out of mantra because I'm spamming the doom shield all the time. ^_^ And yes, I love Karma. She's my hoe. <3[/quote]

[quote=LaronX]I am doing some math atm. She get every 12 sek a Mantra from lvl 13 on with max cdr. As a support with Shurelya's and CRD boots and mastaries you get very close. As AP with DFG and either Morellos or Boots and masteries you get to the cap. So it is not to hard to reach that with out giving away to much. Her low range make DFG not to hard to use. It has abit more range then her other stuff but it's ok.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=ProAsylum] Hey guys, recently I came up to train all champs that I didn't master yet and then after years of playing LoL I finally bought [[Karma]]! I think she's way too underplayed because.. 1. she can go to ANY lane ( top, mid , bot ). 2. she can has a lot of sustain due to [[Heavenly Wave]] AND [[Soul Shield]] 3. she got a lot of damage with a pretty good scaling 4. she got a nice movement buff/debuff using [[Spirit Bond]] 5. because of her passive [[inner Flame]] she doesn't need AP early game and can rush chalice of harmony + getting [[frozen heart]] in mid game. 6. she can bait a lot of enemies with low hp because of her [[inner Flame]] , [[Heavenly Wave]] and [[Soul Shield]] there are just way more PROS than CONS to play [[Karma]]. but she is totally underplayed in my eyes, don't you think so, too? [/quote] you don't understand why she's strong and why she's weak, move along[/quote]

[quote=PerpetualDuplicity]I never considered using DFG on her, but now that you mention it, it would be extremely viable for the type of Karma I play. Maybe I need to go re-read the comprehensive karma. It's been a good few months.[/quote]

[quote=LaronX]There is a Karma guide O.o What ever I also think that becaus she is not as sexy as other female champs the is a bit less favored see mid with Ahri and other mids.[/quote]

[quote=PerpetualDuplicity]They need to make a good skin for her imo. The ones there are are not slutty enough for me to buy.[/quote]

[quote=animorte][quote=ProAsylum] [quote=The Overmyynd] I agree with your opinion in that Karma is very undervalued. She keeps teams together in teamfights, takes advantage of enemies being out of position, shields AND heals her partner in lane (other supports can only do one or the other) AND has some of the best damage of any supports in the game.Building her AP isn't bad either. Yes, she is extremely undervalued, and underplayed, but thats probably because people look at her and say "she has no ult, she has no game-changing moment like [[janna]], she must be worthless". This is true, she has no true "ult" like we are used to, but with full CDR she just crap damage and heals and slows and speeds and shields and more damage to entire teams. Her utility ability is vast, but very very complicated to do extremely well, and most players would rather [[wish]] their teams health back than land a simple cone skillshot. I call it lazyness. [/quote] i totally agree with you :) [/quote] Likewise. Very well put.[/quote]

[quote=Sanara]I love Karma and her kit but i dont play her very much. Her main problem is the current meta in my opionnion. shes worthless without any farm. she can heal and shield but she needs (next to ap) massive cdr to be effective,thats why you need farm. janna for example is the perfect support. she just needs a philo,a hog,boots and wards. with some little tweaks i think Karma would be a more viable support champ. For example: give her 1 Mantra more and reduce the cooldown. Change the coan of her q spell, nothing is more frustration than skillshoting half your team but just hit 1 of your guys. solotop/mid Karma should work too but i think she is more of a hybrid burst/support champ, there she isnt that viable right now like taric,janna,soraka etc. just my opinion edit:forgot about her passive,if think its rly lackluster. you dont want ur ap/support to be half dead in the middle of the fight to make use of her passive. what happens when you are half dead? you get extra ap and heal your team and urself for more.your hp is refilled,your ap is lowered again.theres no constant passive giving her any extras.[/quote]