[DISCUSS] What do you think about Karma, THE...

[quote=AFKwithyoursister][[karma]] is actually really good, not OP or top tier, but she's a solid champion.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][[karma]] is really strong pre-6 O_o I was literally able to trash every champion I was up against during her free weeks.[/quote]

[quote=ProAsylum][quote=tehAsian] [[karma]] is really strong pre-6 O_o I was literally able to trash every champion I was up against during her free weeks. [/quote] not only pre-6!! she is stronk all the time *Q*[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]You forgot I said [b]really[/b] strong. :D[/quote]

[quote=ProAsylum][quote=PerpetualDuplicity] ^^ Laziness. Well said. I just wish CDR affected her Mantra. [/quote] CDR does affect her [[mantra]][/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=ProAsylum] Hey guys, recently I came up to train all champs that I didn't master yet and then after years of playing LoL I finally bought [[Karma]]! I think she's way too underplayed because..[[[And you go on with wrong reasons]]] [/quote] Reason she's underplayed: She has basically 2 damage skills as an AP mid. If she's support, she is [b]severely[/b] restricted by cooldowns if she wants to sustain her partner. ~30 seconds on a heal is not a good thing if it's better the later on you use it. Her shield, while having nice AoE, provides no incentive to level it up other than raw blocking power. Compared to other "good" shields, it falls flat. [[Eye of the storm]] gives AD. [[Help, Pix!]] gives them something to CS with easier. Her [[Spirit bond]], while highly damaging, is [b]very hard[/b] to actually hit with. You're using a skillshot, that basically can curve. It takes a lot of teamwork to pull off or, good early positioning so you can bond a minion and deal the damage there. And, like Mooninites said, [quote=Mooninites] you don't understand why she's strong and why she's weak, move along [/quote][/quote]

[quote=NinjaGinge]Long story short. She is an incredibly fun champion who has a following all her own She can do ANYTHING but is unable to do EVERYTHING. As a support she can both deal damage/hold lane and restore health, but she cannot do BOTH effectively at the same time. The limits of her mantra are her fatal flaw. If her numbers got a super itty bitty tweak and her mantra got a little buff she would be incredibly more viable[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]I heard they're making [[mantra]] + [[heavenly wave]] a knockback in her remake.[/quote]

[quote=ProAsylum][quote=tehAsian] I heard they're making [[mantra]] + [[heavenly wave]] a knockback in her remake. [/quote] where did you hear these stuff? knockback... sounds interesting..[/quote]

[quote=ProAsylum][quote=Lugignaf] [quote=ProAsylum] Hey guys, recently I came up to train all champs that I didn't master yet and then after years of playing LoL I finally bought [[Karma]]! I think she's way too underplayed because..[[[And you go on with wrong reasons]]] [/quote] Reason she's underplayed: She has basically 2 damage skills as an AP mid. If she's support, she is [b]severely[/b] restricted by cooldowns if she wants to sustain her partner. ~30 seconds on a heal is not a good thing if it's better the later on you use it. Her shield, while having nice AoE, provides no incentive to level it up other than raw blocking power. Compared to other "good" shields, it falls flat. [[Eye of the storm]] gives AD. [[Help, Pix!]] gives them something to CS with easier. Her [[Spirit bond]], while highly damaging, is [b]very hard[/b] to actually hit with. You're using a skillshot, that basically can curve. It takes a lot of teamwork to pull off or, good early positioning so you can bond a minion and deal the damage there. And, like Mooninites said, [quote=Mooninites] you don't understand why she's strong and why she's weak, move along [/quote] [/quote] you underestimate her. compared to other shield? in midgame she shield for something around 500 + damage, too. if you were in EU-W I could show you a real good [[karma]] but unfortunatly I can't. maybe I'll give you a replay..[/quote]