good solo top for intermediate non ranked play?

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=Protocol] In draft play you'd never be able to Morg top because you'd either get countered or she'd get banned. Try to steer clear of the niche play champions. [/quote] Why would u stay clear of the niche champions? They all excel at some stuff, and counters some stuff(like talon, he's a niche champ but such a good counter to kassa/leblanc)(like kassadin/leblanc, they're bad first picks cuz they're countered easily but if they get against a mage who isn't morgana or galio.. BOOM SHAKALAKA.) Abuse the niches. Very good first picks for top: [[Tryndamere]] [[Riven]] [[Irelia]] [[Gangplank]] [[Kennen]](although he is kinda niche, he's good against most tops.) [[Wukong]] [[Ryze]] [[Cho' gath]] [[Fizz]](don't know why i never see a fizz top...) [[Olaf]] [[Shyvana]](not fond of her myself but she works fine) [[Rumble]] [[shen]] [[sion]] [[Warwick]] Think this pretty much sums it up. Edit: Damn, forgot vlad.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Polse is right. Niche is fine if you understand the niche.[/quote]

[quote=McLovin12134567]thanks and 1 question im having a hard time countering irelia top epecialy when in mid game she starts getting her items and i feel like any small amount of damage i manage to deal she just re-sustains and rapes me :\.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Answer; Olaf, Tryndamere, Cho (Cho does the same trick)[/quote]

[quote=Anandre]If by first pick tops, you mean you have to pick before them, Tryn is terrible to pick, as he's so easily countered. Also, Fizz is a terrible top, at least against anyone with half a brain. I just beat one senseless last game.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden][quote=DuffTime] Answer; Olaf, Tryndamere, Cho is a skill-matchup so if your enemy is from other server and has lesser masteries/runes u win. (Cho does the same trick) [/quote] Fix'd that for ya duffy.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian][quote=McLovin12134567] thanks and 1 question im having a hard time countering irelia top epecialy when in mid game she starts getting her items and i feel like any small amount of damage i manage to deal she just re-sustains and rapes me :\. [/quote] The best way to prevent a strong mid game is to wreck early game. [[cho'gath]] is good because her passive doesn't reduce knockup time. I'd beat an [[irelia]] with constant harass and zoning so she can't heal off minions.[/quote]

[quote=albableat]"intermediate non ranked play" If that's a question, really anyone. Pølsemanden mentioned a lot of really good top champions. Considering it's not ranked, I'd suggest trying solotop [[lee sin]] as he's really fun to play. I also agree that [[Fizz]]'s a bad top in majority of cases. But he's also interesting and fun to play, so why not?[/quote]

[quote=albableat][quote=McLovin12134567] thanks and 1 question im having a hard time countering irelia top epecialy when in mid game she starts getting her items and i feel like any small amount of damage i manage to deal she just re-sustains and rapes me :\. [/quote] I also feel like [[lee sin]] is a pretty good counter to her. Just go top lane, rush [[warden's mail]], and keep shutting her down with [[tempest / cripple]] (You can even max it out first). [[irelia]] is so susceptible to AS reduction, it's not even funny D: True damage still hurts, but now you'd take only 1 hit, whereas at full attack speed you'd suffer 2-3 hits of it. Also, [[lee sin]] is also a sustain beast.[/quote]

[quote=mysim20]Lanewick Cho and mord are my favorites. But they are my ranked lineup.[/quote]