MOAR Olaf buffs!

[quote=Ace Ventura]Lol. I'm trying to say that Undertow isn't always reliable as ganking tool and his true damage isn't really useful late game against high HP. Olaf hardly fits competitive scene, but he is pretty useful pick against teams with tons of CC due to his ult. By the way, this is ridiculous. You telling me learn to play and shit like that but you don't even know who I am.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Olaf doesn't fit in the competitive scene because in the competitive scene, they aren't using him right yet :) Once somebody shows them how to do it he'll be so strong that I bet they will have to nerf him, not buff him ^^[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]It's not ridiculous. You keep talking about changes for things to make them easy when they are already easy for Olaf-mains. That means you just haven't taken the time to learn to play him. 1. Olaf is NOT suppose to be focusing high-HP targets. Olaf is an [u]"anti-carry"[/u]. His job is to make a bee-line right at the enemy carry, no one else, and kill him/her. 2. Undertow is not a ganking tool, it's a chasing tool like [[Blood Scent]]. You use it to close gaps when the enemy blinks or dashes too farm for you to get Red Buff to proc. And Olaf doesn't fit the competitive scene because the junglers needs to be able to initiate BECAUSE tanks are often not even taken, and people rely on a bulky jungler to start fights for them. It's just the Meta, not the champion. It's just like how Twisted Fate used to suck - Tanky DPS meta was holding him down.\ Double AP meta is just making Olaf look bad. [[Olaf]] will never be a top-pick because he relies on [[Berzerker Rage]]. He's a risky fighter, just like [[Tryndamere]]. He's balanced around doing well as he starts going low on health. That makes him a niche pick. And that's what he is now. He does not need any changes. None at all.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Well, jungler can do whatever he/she wants. Olaf's way better in a solo. I agree with almost everything Jun said again, except I think that Olaf should -be- the bulky champion who starts the fight.[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]@DuffTime: The tank is suppose to initiate. Anti-carries are suppose to be the 2nd person into fights. Riot's just gone and released too many anti-carries who can gap-closer and CC like a tank: [[Nocturne]], [[Irelia]], [[Lee Sin]], etc.. Olaf is a balanced anti-carry, he's not the ideal person to start a fight. He's suppose to go in after it starts, soak damage, kill the enemy MVP, then get out. Standard MOBA fight set-up: Phase 1: Initiation -Tank initiates and CC's enemies caught out of position (preferably carry, but it can be anyone as long as enemy squishies are nearby) -Tank proceeds to cause as much havoc and deal as much damage as possible to enemy's positioning Phase 2: -Anti-carry bum-rushes enemy carry -Casters nuke down the closer of two: Enemy's Caster, Anti-carry, or Carry -Carry does its best to: a) avoid nukes and kite the anti-carry b) kill anti-carry, casters, and enemy carry Phase 3: Losing team kites or runs Winning team chases[/quote]

[quote=Ace Ventura]Look, I said once about buffs when I opened this thread. Of course he is an anti-carry and you want to focus carries. But you're an off-tank DPS and you will be facing all kinds. In short, he is good and viable champ but getting outclassed by other more viable champs that fits off-tank DPS role like Lee Sin, Nocturne and few others. Anyways thread closed.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Well you've never seen me on Olaf then. I am both a sturdy Offtank and an anti carry, and I generally initiate the fights as well. Olaf is one of my mains. I guarantee I know how to play Olaf better than most. I'm very likely one of the best Olaf players in the game. Ace, I don't agree, I think Olaf is not comparable to Lee Sin or Nocturne. They have different functions and different strengths.[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn]Just 0.7%? 0.7% = 0.7/100 Change it to 0.7 only, or 70%.[/quote]

[quote=Fox Rage]I have seen Duff's Olaf in a real game, my bro main Olaf, and I used to play him a lot too. What you are saying is that you are still new to him. Just pratice him a bit in normals, and you'll see how powerful he is. You can't compare Olaf to Noc or Lee, since they don't have the same job. Olaf is probably the best champion to go take down the squishy ranged AD Carry, since he is immune to CC. That's his job. Once he took care of the squishies, he can just help his team where it is needed. Undertow is a fairly easy skillshot to lane, once you get the hang of it. I won't lie, it took me about 5 or 6 games to be able to land it at least 80% of the time ^^' P.S. No need be shy, or feel humiliated because you,re new to Olaf. We all went that way too :)[/quote]

[quote=JunSupport]Offtank = anti-carry Saying "both offtank and anti-carry" has no meaning, DuffTime.[/quote]