Non-Viable Champions?

[quote=Pølsemanden]Jungle eve with OP AS buff, MS buff, and kill heal was pretty much op anywhere(ppl just didn't know it till a 1800'ish guy suddenly rose 400(?) elo).. It would've been abused competitively in a matter of months/weeks had she not been "fixed" OT: The only non-viable champions, are champions being simply out-classed by other characters in their aspect. Like [[garen]]... He's outclassed cuz what he does(deny the enemy farm) can be done much better by both [[renekton]] and [[olaf]], both of which has better late-game scaling. (only good thing about garen is how unbelieveably easy he is to play.. although olaf/rene is not that much harder) (this one is gonna brnig a lot of pain up my butt...) [[Ashe]] is imo, not a viable ad-carry, i know utility herpa derpa.. but her damage is sooo meeh... her range is not that much better.. she has 0 defence.. a close runner up is [[Miss fortune]] Annie is becomming less and less viable imo, she has decent ap-scalings and her tibber stuns are terrifying, there are just characters doing her job as a initiater sooo much better... She's not un-viable, just not very powerful ..[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]It [i]was[/i] abused. It absolutely destroyed people in solo queue, but in tournament games it failed hard. I recall one team picked Eve against I think it was CLG, and she ended up 0/8 and half the level of everyone on the other team. Basically lost them the game. Pro players are smart enough and coordinated enough that roam Eve ganks just weren't effective. Everyone agrees with you on [[Ashe]] and as for [[Annie]] she feels a lot less strong with all the long range, strong lane AP champions that are popular these days.[/quote]

[quote=Pølsemanden]AP or AD? Can u throw me a source or something? to just somebody playing eve in a tournament game.. This brings me to another question.. Do u think some team would maaaabe put shaco to the competitive test? I think it could be interesting..[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]It was in the Dreamhack qualifier rounds, I'll try to find it but I'm not sure if I'll be able to. Shaco has basically the same problems in competitive play; people just don't fall for his ganks. Edit: Don't think I can find it. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEBqwiup-SA]This[/url] is the only game with Eve in I can find, and it seems to start at late game with Eve doing okay, so it's not the one I saw.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Shaco wasn't used on the right kinds of team comps in competitive, but an organized team in try hard mode will always do better than a sloggy one :P[/quote]

[quote=animorte]Twitch is just too squishy. He has arguably the best damage output in-game, but he also dies the quickest. I have always imagined Eve AP (somewhat hybrid/AS depending on my mood). All champions are viable, just not recommended. At least each champion gets love from somebody, just some much less love than others.[/quote]

[quote=LordAerthos]I'm with DuffTime in that Twitch might not be competitive just yet, but I wouldn't toss him under the bus by any means. The arranged group that I normally play with tends to be fairly aggressive, and every time we're up against a Twitch on the other team I find myself constantly reminding everybody to ward and not take any chances unless Twitch is accounted for. It really slows down your early game, especially if you're playing a champ where you're used to grabbing some aggressive quick kills while laning and all of a sudden you can't do that because nobody knows where the damn rat is at.[/quote]

[quote=sh0cki]As already mentioned by Duff at start, but I will formulate other way - near all champions are usable, but some of them are harder countered. Regarding Twitch I still think he is viable jungler against team with strong lane phase to force them to expensive warding and not intiating risky situations, but against teams centered for engame he is not viable. Even as lane AD carry he can be quite strong for example with soraka - you can be squishy as hell when u are near invulnerable with her shield and mana for escaping/silencing enemy CCs. Eve is not viable on lane. Simple as that. As jungler putting some threat, but later on unusable most of the time. And regarding other champions for example mentioned Vlad - it really depends on team composition. He can do very good with some reliable CC in team, but he have also a lot counterpicks. With Rylai he can quite reliable answer to shutdown meelee champs. He is just not that type of champ which can be picked early and do well against like all others (he is not Ahri) :D[/quote]

[quote=ExamplePrime]Problem with a lot of 'UP' champs is how slight tweaks make them broken Like Eve actually has a REALLY strong late game so buffing her early can cause problems, much like what was wrong with Kayle and Jax hence the reworks[/quote]

[quote=Brentaxe]cauch that voice.... wtf?[/quote]