Possible Chalice upgrade?

[quote=Lugignaf]He had a short run and he is now forever dead. LONG LIVE THE NINJA![/quote]

[quote=caucheka]hes already dead. he just hasnt caught up yet.[/quote]

[quote=tehAsian]Dat [[shen]] nerf will completely break solo top [[shen]]. AP Mid [[shen]] next big thing. And I think most Yis will start Q now because of bonus damage in jungling.[/quote]

[quote=Xaioli]Btw, posted a new thread with link to the RoG in GD so there's no confusion for new readers about the Chalice change. inb4 SHEN SHOULD START BUILDING CHALICE, BIG MANA ITEM =P[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido][quote=Xaioli] Btw, posted a new thread with link to the RoG in GD so there's no confusion for new readers about the Chalice change. inb4 SHEN SHOULD START BUILDING CHALICE, BIG MANA ITEM =P [/quote] You should include item changes then since you don't have them there.[/quote]

[quote=Xaioli][quote=Zeprido] You should include item changes then since you don't have them there. [/quote] Done and updated, giving you credit for your post. If you want me to edit in credit for source (if you got it from one), let me know.[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]the sunfire buff isn't enough to make it viable, it's still grossly overpriced and pretty terrible late game[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]seriously they should of just made it unique. and buff the damage to 60. thats all they should of fucking done. but instead they had to raise the price and nerf the damage.[/quote]

[quote=Yagamoth]As I read this thread - many here don't seem to realize how incredibly powerful Chalice actually is for how little it costs. Reason why many who actually know how strong it is didn't build it anyway, is because it's an earlygame item (doesn't build into anything) and is replaceable through other means with good mana management (e.g. 2 Dorans Ring, Philo Stone). Why I mention it being "incredibly powerful"? I'm mostly talking about midlaners playing against AP mids. The early magic resist let's you survive burst combos you normally wouldn't survive. The early mana regen let's you harass/sustain in lane for so much longer and gives you the power to gank other lanes while starting to run towards these lanes with 0 mana (as in, it regenerates enough mana on the way for you to get off a good combo). Further, it's not only for mages. - If you get a Chalice on an Udyr, you can easily keep up 3 stacks of his passive all the time (!). - If you get Chalice on WW, he will be an immovable object in lane as soon as he also gets a mana crystal. - If you get Chalice on a Jungle Alistar, you will be able to "stay out and gank" for an extremely long time (Mobility Boots + Chalice results in a ridiculous gank-galore. Often you have to decide between ganking and farming some jungle camps, because mana wouldn't be enough for both). - If you get Chalice on an Anivia it works like a consistent Blue Buff. "But you just said it's replaceable through other means, so it's worthless" - Point is, "with good mana management", this does not only mean that you have to be efficient, but mostly also, that you have to cut down on harass/sustain. Being efficient AND having Chalice can reasonably fast result in zoning an enemy. In short, if they bring this item live, I expect a Chalice nerf. The complete item seems fine to me because of it's cost. It was a niche item for a few Champions/matchups that could profit from it enough to justify buying it, despite not giving any damage output. Now, that it also builds into a reasonable item it's much easier to considergetting it.[/quote]

[quote=IceCreamy][quote=Toshabi] Did someone say chalice of discord? I'm building that shit on all of my champions now. [/quote] lololol ;D Sounds like a great item which I will build on some AP Carries, such as Lux, Orianna and other champs with mana problems. Don't know if it will work but I will surely test =)[/quote]