Oddly enough, most "real" ADCs actually have really bad base AD scaling, while APCs' is often better. So if you can get past the rough early game when your abilities are terrible, APCs are perfectly decent ADCs late. I would argue that Ahri is quite possibly a better ADC than Kalista right now (though maybe that just shows how bad Kalista is), though it really comes down to whether you need pick/self-peel + mobility or initiation more. She might be able to compete with Urgot and Corki as well. Likewise, Karma with her cc and shield might do well too once all of your damage comes from autos anyway.
I might be exaggerating a bit, but not that much actually, I did check the numbers. (Note that I was only referring to late game, though I didn't clarify this well; in early/mid game, weird ADCs are awful.) Let's take Ahri, Caitlyn and Ashe as an example, at level 18:
Ahri:
Base AD - 104
Base AS - 0.668
Natural AS growth - 34% or 0.34 * 0.668 = 0.227
Caitlyn:
Base AD - 91
Base AS - 0.568
Natural AS growth - 68% or 0.68 * 0.568 = 0.386, plus 0.1 from her passive
Ashe:
Base AD - 95
Base AS - 0.658
Natural AS growth - 56.6% or 0.566 * 0.658 = 0.372
To make the comparison fair, they need to have the same items. I don't normally play ADC so I don't know much about itemization, but I'll go with something generic:
Berserker's Greaves + Runaan's Hurricane + Infinity Edge + Bloodthirster + Lord Dominik's Regards + Maw of Malmortius
Total item stats:
AD: 0 + 0 + 70 + 75 + 50 + 55 = 250
AS: 0.35 + 0.40 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0.75 (i.e. 75% of base AS)
Crit: 0 + 0.30 + 0.20 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0.50 (i.e. 50%) at 250% damage, for a DPS factor of 1.75 (except for Ashe, who gets 1.85 from her passive)
That makes the total stats:
Ahri - AD: 354 AS: 1.396 which gives an aa dps of 494 * 1.75 = 865
Caitlyn - AD: 341 AS: 1.437 which gives an aa dps of 490 * 1.75 = 858
Ashe - AD: 345 AS: 1.396 which gives an aa dps of 482 without Q or passive, 773 with Q, and 1430 with both.
Obviously I've ignored lots of other factors ( Fervor of Battle , etc.) but I think this simple analysis at least shows that Ahri and Caitlyn's late games are in the same ballpark (though see posts below). Ashe hurts.
Ahri:
Base AD - 104
Base AS - 0.668
Natural AS growth - 34% or 0.34 * 0.668 = 0.227
Caitlyn:
Base AD - 91
Base AS - 0.568
Natural AS growth - 68% or 0.68 * 0.568 = 0.386, plus 0.1 from her passive
Ashe:
Base AD - 95
Base AS - 0.658
Natural AS growth - 56.6% or 0.566 * 0.658 = 0.372
To make the comparison fair, they need to have the same items. I don't normally play ADC so I don't know much about itemization, but I'll go with something generic:
Berserker's Greaves + Runaan's Hurricane + Infinity Edge + Bloodthirster + Lord Dominik's Regards + Maw of Malmortius
Total item stats:
AD: 0 + 0 + 70 + 75 + 50 + 55 = 250
AS: 0.35 + 0.40 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0.75 (i.e. 75% of base AS)
Crit: 0 + 0.30 + 0.20 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0.50 (i.e. 50%) at 250% damage, for a DPS factor of 1.75 (except for Ashe, who gets 1.85 from her passive)
That makes the total stats:
Ahri - AD: 354 AS: 1.396 which gives an aa dps of 494 * 1.75 = 865
Caitlyn - AD: 341 AS: 1.437 which gives an aa dps of 490 * 1.75 = 858
Ashe - AD: 345 AS: 1.396 which gives an aa dps of 482 without Q or passive, 773 with Q, and 1430 with both.
Obviously I've ignored lots of other factors ( Fervor of Battle , etc.) but I think this simple analysis at least shows that Ahri and Caitlyn's late games are in the same ballpark (though see posts below). Ashe hurts.
Caitlyn's base stats are intentionally low to compensate for Headshot and her super high range though, not the greatest example to compare Ahri to. Even ignoring Caitlyn's superior range, Headshot alone means Caitlyn does more DPS through items than Ahri does, especially when taking spells into consideration.
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