Similar champ to Singed?

[quote=luizdeh][quote=Joshified]I would personally try to play someone with the complete opposite gamestyle, see what it is like on the other side of the fence so you can further improve your respect for the mighty overlord [[Singed]]..[/quote] qft. I like playing very different champions. [[Miss Fortune]] games are just to get more IPs and up my win ratio. [[Gragas]] games are hella fun. [[Olaf]] games are an atempt to learn an UP character. [[Twitch]] games are for ADC'ing when team has tons of CC. [[Udyr]]/[[Mundo]] games are for learning jungle. So on and so forth. As for a banned [[Singed]], I think he's unique enough in a way that no champion can be played similarly. That being said, [[Olaf]], [[Volibear]] and [[Udyr]] are probably the closest.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Hey, just little thoughts about AP Udyr. He is very similar to [[singed]] in terms of damage (AoE+Proc), tankyness (turtle spam), mobility (bear+passive), pushing and coming back into the game. Of course, his basic tankyness is lower, but his [[turtle stance]] makes up for that. And in the lane, he can be even stronger than [[singed]]. His cc is worse, but a stun to everyone slapping is usefull aswell. I got this idea for the build: [img]http://imageshack.us/a/img690/8318/udyrus.png[/img][/quote]

[quote=luizdeh]That build is seriously lacking in tank power. If you wanted to go to a more damage oriented build, I think [[Lich Bane]] instead of one of the last 2 would be more worthwhile. The main thing here is that [[Singed]] doesn't need to go into a different mode like [[Udyr]]. When he goes turtle he does shit damage. So I guess he needs a more defensive-oriented build in order to play similarly. Even so, I have no idea right now how to make it work, honestly.[/quote]

[quote=Vaan99]I wouldn't buy rod of ages on udyr, it seems pointless. He has huge mana problems in early game, but later on he's fine. Don't build him that much focused on ap, you should try more hybrid so it's harder to counter you. For example, Nashor's Tooth and Sheen upgrade (trinity force or frozen fist). He doesn't need many damage items to be strong, just outlevel your opponents and you will be fine. Also botrk makes him much more fearsome duelist Resistances are excellent on him, his shield prevents 220 damage on lv 5 with 5 seconds duration, so it's basicly free health that scales with all resistances. Boots should be swiftness or ninja tabi (depending on enemy team), or maybe mercury against fiddle or long tenacity affected cc like that. For runes, try hybrid penetration or attack speed marks (and quints, but less important). In conclusion: build him less ap oriented and more tanky.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy][quote=Vaan99] I wouldn't buy rod of ages on udyr, it seems pointless. He has huge mana problems in early game, but later on he's fine. Don't build him that much focused on ap, you should try more hybrid so it's harder to counter you. For example, Nashor's Tooth and Sheen upgrade (trinity force or frozen fist). He doesn't need many damage items to be strong, just outlevel your opponents and you will be fine. Also botrk makes him much more fearsome duelist Resistances are excellent on him, his shield prevents 220 damage on lv 5 with 5 seconds duration, so it's basicly free health that scales with all resistances. Boots should be swiftness or ninja tabi (depending on enemy team), or maybe mercury against fiddle or long tenacity affected cc like that. For runes, try hybrid penetration or attack speed marks (and quints, but less important). In conclusion: build him less ap oriented and more tanky. [/quote] But that build is neither AP nor anything near [[Singed]]. What you just showed is more like [[tiger stance]] [[udyr]]... [[Udyr]] still does high damage in turtle as the phoenix waves are still doing damage. It has also 420 strength with 400 AP. And a catalyst is a must in the lane.[/quote]

[quote=luizdeh][[Sorcerer's Shoes]] [[Nashor's Tooth]] [[Abyssal Scepter]] [[Sunfire Cape]] [[Lich Bane]] [[Liandry's Torment]] HP, AS, 265 AP, 30 MPen, MRes, Armor, spellbalde, Sunfire damage ticks. If this isn't tanky enough, take out [[Lich Bane]] for a more defensive item. Meh. Could work.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]As you see, without RoA and Zhonya's you really lack AP, as this puts you up to 400. And AP = Shield Strength = Tankyness. And that 150 AP more makes up for the [[sunfire cape]] passive, it adds up 35 damage more onto phoenix waves without the passive proc. The only thing that brings the difference here is the [[lich bane]] proc, but that one also lowers your tankyness by a big amount. Hmm, maybe this: Get [[athene's unholy grail]] for CDR, AP and MR instead of [[nashor's tooth]] and [[abyssal scepter]], then get [[rylai's crystal scepter]] instead of [[rod of ages]] and get [[lich bane]] on top of it. So it would look like this: [[sorcerer's shoes]] [[athene's unholy grail]] [[rylai's crystal scepter]] [[liandry's torment]] [[lich bane]] [[zhonya's hourglass]] This way we still have all the stats but now also have a slow and the sheen proc. AS isn't really that needed as your damage and especially your survivability more relies onto CDR.[/quote]