Sneak Peak Possible Shen/Vlad Changes From PBE

[quote=Darcurse]@ Diesel Support was only one of my suggestions. Not played him enough to be sure. But pairing him up with Graves/Cait? Doesnt seem that bad. IMO very close to Alistar: You sacrifice the enemy cannon creep to let your carry heal himself and taunt both enemies. You easily save yourself with feint and the main targets gets a Vorpal. @Zeprido Maybe he can easily clear Jungle, but dunno about his gank capabilities and the only thing I said was that THAT patch improves hs laning ability way better than his jungle ability. Never doubted that he's able to jungle.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Shen wouldn't make an amazing ganker. His taunt has a longish cool down and his damage output is so-so. He'd be a durable ganker able to force people to use their summoners. But beyond that he's lacking in HARD HARD CC...A ~1 second taunt isn't enough. However he could be a great counter ganker at 6 when he has [[Stand United]][/quote]

[quote=Temzilla][quote=Crazy Smurf] 2 Minor buffs on Vlad for a Major nerf... Shiz, I wanna play Vlad but seeing that AP-HP nerf, geez, that was what made Vlad a Vlad. Now he is a standard AP Carry with no real compensation for his no CC at all. [/quote] Right, because his insane team fight damage because of ultimate isn't compensation. Only team damage amp in the game.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Come to think of it, it's the 2nd ability in the game which buffs the whole. Sivir's ult and Vlad's both have a team buff component. But I can't think of any others. Unless you count Heimer's *yawn* passive....[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot]Gps speedbuff? Sonas auras and soraka passive?[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]@_@ Yupp goes to show how good I am at remembering champ abilities....[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]^ Warwick's AS boost too.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]o3o[/quote]

[quote=Crows foot][quote=JEFFY40HANDS] @_@ Yupp goes to show how good I am at remembering champ abilities.... [/quote] Is ok man, won't call you out for being suxxors![/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]Thank goodness I can play Cass/Udyr/Vayne/Corki/Tryn/Annie/Brand/Teemo/Gragas/(maybe Graves too) but that sill leaves nearly 60+ other champs to LEARN OMG IM SO BAD[/quote]