The New Yi

[quote=Jack Rubino]Oh well... i love yi, i love ap yi, still love him, loved previous yi, kinda.. love-like this new yi but i wont ever change my mind about yi.. people saying he is op.. trynda isnt?. fizz? so u can say," getting focus or stunned or whatever.." well, yi can be shut down with a stun like butter.. i love yi.. :([/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=OTGBionicArm] Seems like a damage battle imo, a battle which Yi likely wins. If Talon catches him low, hoever, he would obviously win. But still, I think its honestly in Yi's favor. [/quote] The point is Talon never has to actually FIGHT Yi, just harass him until he's low enough to get burst down. Yi has no CC which forces Talon to fight him, or makes him unable to run, Talon can just walk away from Yi after taking a few hits and keep harassing. Yi MIGHT be able to win at level 6, but at level 9 I just don't see it happening. [/quote] Well, also depends on jungler presence, and I'd agree that Talon generally responds to ganks easier and can snowball other lanes harder.[/quote]

[quote=Ahruu]Imo yi really needs a nerf atm. He still kills adc's within 2secs lategame unless they have GA or some shizzle, and with far more sustainable damage then the old AP yi, which in my opinion wasn't nearly as broken as he is now.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm]AP Yi could also full heal in half a second. New Yi still gets shit on by CC and focus.[/quote]

[quote=IAmByakuya]He is still meh to me Either get a lot of kills or be useless later, hard CC = hes dead That he has MORE damage doesn't mean he can't get killed[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=Vapora Dark] [quote=OTGBionicArm] Seems like a damage battle imo, a battle which Yi likely wins. If Talon catches him low, hoever, he would obviously win. But still, I think its honestly in Yi's favor. [/quote] The point is Talon never has to actually FIGHT Yi, just harass him until he's low enough to get burst down. Yi has no CC which forces Talon to fight him, or makes him unable to run, Talon can just walk away from Yi after taking a few hits and keep harassing. Yi MIGHT be able to win at level 6, but at level 9 I just don't see it happening. [/quote] that is a really dumb argument. You could apply that logic to literally every champion. I guess we could start applying that to [[Pantheon]] vs. [[Gangplank]] one of the most notorious lane counters. [i]"Just wait until [[Pantheon]]'s [[Aegis Protection]] is down and then use [[parley]]. You never have to fight Panth and his CC can be cleansed with [[Remove Scurvy]], so therefore GP beats panth"[/i] Do you see how ridiculous that argument is? I don't have a problem with your enthusiasm for [[Talon]] or a champion you like, but at least be rational[/quote]

[quote=DarkPercy]It's funny you say this Moon cause Yi is probably the only champion people know me for and I actually believe Talon wins 1v1 against him mid. Yi is such a terrible laner in my opinion.... Talon has much higher base damages and upfront damage he should win trades early AND should have an easier time doing the whole I-burst-you-down-before-you-can-even-react thing than Yi does at level 6+¸ also has better roam[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]^agree with all except the roaming part[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites][quote=DarkPercy] It's funny you say this Moon cause Yi is probably the only champion people know me for and I actually believe Talon wins 1v1 against him mid. Yi is such a terrible laner in my opinion.... Talon has much higher base damages and upfront damage he should win trades early AND should have an easier time doing the whole I-burst-you-down-before-you-can-even-react thing than Yi does at level 6+¸ also has better roam [/quote] Are we talking about AP Yi or New Yi?[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]The thing is, Yi can dodge a part of [[talon]]'s harass with [[alpha strike]], if he uses that to his advantage, he can surely win the lane. Because a [[alpha strike]]+[[wuju style]] true dmg strike does a huge amount of damage, even early. Another thing is, Yi has sustain, Talon not. If they just harass each other with the same damage, Yi would win anyway.[/quote]