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[quote=NicknameMy]A smart [[mordekaiser]] will then last hit your carry with his ultimate, as it also has a high base damage.^^[/quote]

[quote=Hatted][quote=NicknameMy]A smart [[mordekaiser]] will then last hit your carry with his ultimate, as it also has a high base damage.^^[/quote] That's why Quicksilver.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]But you can't Quicksilver while dead. I mean you have like 10% of your HP left and he ults you, then you can't use Quicksilver.[/quote]

[quote=Hatted][quote=NicknameMy]But you can't Quicksilver while dead. I mean you have like 10% of your HP left and he ults you, then you can't use Quicksilver.[/quote] Usually my adc's remain at a majority of their health, and without that mord he basically is AoE damage. Just stay clear/CC. Once you stop him form doing damage he's fairly squishy. No problem. Unless of course he's fed. In which case insert keyboard into eye and type "/ff" with your eyelashes. He likes his women like he likes his music: Heavy and metal.[/quote]

[quote=HiFromBuddha][quote=NicknameMy][quote=HiFromBuddha]The shield that is offered by inner turrets completely negates [[Children of the grave]][/quote] Nope, fixed.[/quote] At the time the comment was written it wasn't.[/quote]

[quote=TheKut][quote=HiFromBuddha][[Caitlyn]] has the strongest lane phase early game. If you're playing [[Vayne]], [[Kalista]] or [[Jinx]] into [[Caitlyn]], then you're going to have a bad time. There's nothing you can do against the range. You'll just need to tough it out until late game. [[Caitlyn]] is very item reliant, and even then, scales really badly compared to other ADCs. You'll just naturally beat her late game if you survive the lane phase. [[Ezreal]] has a good match-up against [[Caitlyn]] if you want counterpicks. I recommend you just bend over to reduce the pain.[/quote] I would not say at all that [[Ezreal]] is a counter to [[Caitlyn]]. Why he is good in the match-up is because he can avoid poke from her basics by farming with [[Mystic Shot]], thus negating Cait's main advantage as an adc. He rarely wins the lane, he just doesn't lose it. If he however have a good aggressive support like [[Thresh]] or [[Leona]] he can be dangerous since he can the land a full burst combo without taking anything back. Your best chances against Cait is (as far as my own experience as a Cait main goes) is probably [[Lucian]], at least a few patches ago. When Cait goes in for AA poke Luc will just dash in, pull of his passive, his Q and more passive, thus winning the trade by far. [[Jinx]] can also do quite well against her if she is quick on her [[Switcheroo!]]. Just farm with the minigun and when Cait pokes you quickly switch to rocket launcher and poke back, with more damage than her. It is however more or less a skill match-up, slightly favoring Cait.[/quote]

[quote=HiFromBuddha][quote=TheKut] I would not say at all that [[Ezreal]] is a counter to [[Caitlyn]]. Why he is good in the match-up is because he can avoid poke from her basics by farming with [[Mystic Shot]], thus negating Cait's main advantage as an adc. He rarely wins the lane, he just doesn't lose it. If he however have a good aggressive support like [[Thresh]] or [[Leona]] he can be dangerous since he can the land a full burst combo without taking anything back. Your best chances against Cait is (as far as my own experience as a Cait main goes) is probably [[Lucian]], at least a few patches ago. When Cait goes in for AA poke Luc will just dash in, pull of his passive, his Q and more passive, thus winning the trade by far. [[Jinx]] can also do quite well against her if she is quick on her [[Switcheroo!]]. Just farm with the minigun and when Cait pokes you quickly switch to rocket launcher and poke back, with more damage than her. It is however more or less a skill match-up, slightly favoring Cait.[/quote] Counterpicks and hard counters are two different things. Counterpicks are picks made in accordance to another pick to help give you a situation in which you can manage with. Hard counters completely stop a champion in their tracks. Perhaps you misinterpreted my words. And the reason why [[Ezreal]] is a counterpick to [[Caitlyn]] is more than just because he can dodge skillshots. It's because he has the same range as [[Caitlyn]] and is one of the few that can actually out-poke her in lane. Once again though, it's dictated primarily by supports. [[Lucian]] is pretty much the end-all picks for ADC right now. I kinda just assumed we all accepted that he's ridiculously strong and has mostly safe match-ups with some potential threats.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][[ezreal]] does [b]not[/b] have the same range as [[caitlyn]] (550 does not equate 650). His Q is not up all the time and Cait's autos aren't blocked by minions. In fact, caitlyn can relatively easily poke Ezreal into his tower with the threat of headshots or aggressive early game autos. Of course this depends on what the enemy support allows and how poorly caitlyn positions. However, paired with either an extreme poke champion or an extreme sustain one, Caitlyn can be quite fearsome in lane, with the issue that she tends to push the lane due to overaggressiveness. Actually, as Hax stated, Caitlyn is back to being an extremely strong ADC pick since two of the laners she struggled with (lucian/corki) - because she has a hard time dealing with mobility/burst/poke - were nerfed. The best ways to dealing with Caitlyn is having a support that can force her to fight due to engages and an ADC that outdamages her early, which is, huh, pretty much any adc as long as you don't eat her Q. I do think Caitlyn + Nami/Janna should be quite an annoying lane. (also, do remember that this is taking into account cait players who know EXACTLY how to auto from the edge of their range, so they can always poke without taking an AA)[/quote]

[quote=HiFromBuddha]I wasn't comparing basic attack ranges. I think you know well and truly that [[Ezreal]]'s poke is primarily in [[Mystic Shot]] and not in his basic attacks. [[Mystic Shot]] has a 1150 range. He can still safely farm with it and still safely poke with it while easily staying out of [[Caitlyn]]'s range. Good thing you brought up the last bit though. Even up to gold elo, not many people play her efficiently. She's only really a threat in those people that can actually play to her strengths, which I know is the most general comment to be made, but it is the case. Seriously, when I was in high Silver (loss streak never forget), I was still happy to pick [[Vayne]] into [[Caitlyn]] because I never got zoned like how [[Caitlyn]] is meant to in theory. If you're in low elo, chances are, you're pretty safe in most scenarios, but not all.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]In theory Ezreal sounds pretty good against Caitlyn because he can (situationally) match her poke, farm with Q and he has high burst. But then you realize Ezreal is absolutely awful at clearing waves and Caitlyn just so happens to be the queen of pushing. If she plays it correctly you should generally end up sitting at your turret the entire laning phase and there's not much you can do from that position.[/quote]