Thoughts on the New Jungle?

[quote=TheJohn][quote=Nighthawk] [quote=Temzilla] [quote=Nighthawk]Counterjungling is useless unless you steal red or blue.[/quote] Only steal the big minion. BOOM you just took 75% of the enemy jungler's exp and money away. [/quote] Yes, I said it's useless UNLESS you steal red and blue, in which case you are FUCKED. [/quote] The buffs arent needed to jungle anymore, you can kill the monsters even without skills, just attacking. The exp and gold still help. I can jungle as Olaf with Vampiric Scepter, no potions (I've always wanted that), no buffs, no smite.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=TheJohn] The buffs arent needed to jungle anymore, you can kill the monsters even without skills, just attacking. The exp and gold still help. [/quote] You never needed the buffs for jungling (on most junglers), you needed them to gank. [quote=TheJohn] I can jungle as Olaf with Vampiric Scepter, no potions (I've always wanted that), no buffs, [u]no smite[/u]. [/quote] NO! -slaps wrist- Bad John! Bad![/quote]

[quote=Restrictnine#5232]It didnt accomplish what they wanted. Every high elo jungler has complained non stop about it to guinsoo. Junglers used to be able to keep up with solo lanes in the jungle which allowed ganks, but now they quickly fall 2 or even 3 levels behind, meaning a gank is just an easy kill for that solo lane. it takes on average over 3 minutes extra jungling time to reach lv 6. Shyvana, the fastest jungler in the game, takes 2:30 longer to get to lv 6. This forces you to either take farm from your lanes, or sit in jungle and literally never gank. What they should have done to "make a more active laning phase" was keep old jungle and tell people to start using cleanse and heal.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]^ They can't even keep up with the support in EXP or gold anymore, trolololol.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Restrict and Luther have it in a nutshell. Only junglers that clear relatively fast and ALWAYS have EXCELLENT ganks can really jungle anymore without falling horribly behind. Off the top of my head that's essentially Nocturne and Lee only.[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn]Smite is a time saver now, not a necessary tool to ensure that you wont get killed.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]It was NEVER about not getting killed. It was about the other jungler waltzing in, stealing your buff, and then killing YOU. Because every jungler in the game can do that if you don't have smite.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=TheJohn] Smite is a time saver now, not a necessary tool to ensure that you wont get killed. [/quote] TheJohn: Hey guiz we're ahead let's go do baron XXXSEXYTIMEX: I AGREE LEZ GO DO DIS KillAllJews4456: YA GOOGOGO -Enemy jungler flashes in, steals baron using Smite, John's team loses game- XXXSEXYTIMEX: PMFG NOOB JUNGLER Y U NO TAKE SMITE!!!!! IlikePenis86: /all RAPPORT NOOB JUNGLER PLZ. This short story brought to you by Luther3000.[/quote]

[quote=TheJohn][quote=Luther3000] [quote=TheJohn] Smite is a time saver now, not a necessary tool to ensure that you wont get killed. [/quote] TheJohn: Hey guiz we're ahead let's go do baron XXXSEXYTIMEX: I AGREE LEZ GO DO DIS KillAllJews4456: YA GOOGOGO -Enemy jungler flashes in, steals baron using Smite, John's team loses game- XXXSEXYTIMEX: PMFG NOOB JUNGLER Y U NO TAKE SMITE!!!!! IlikePenis86: /all RAPPORT NOOB JUNGLER PLZ. [/quote] Probability: 0.3% And I dont lose games that easily. And you could get smite, use it, baron isnt dead and they steal it like you described. Your story doesnt change things for me.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Smite deals 900 True Damage at 18. Good luck out last hitting that if the jungler times it correctly. There's a reason why every single jungler who knows what they're doing has taken Smite pretty much since the beginning of time.[/quote]