Vynertje's Support AMA and advice thread

[quote=Blian]I think most of us take flat ad marks on supports like [[Thresh]], [[Alistar]] or [[Braum]]. However I've just checked recently some of the best supports on the world and they all run armor marks, flat hp seals and armor quints (glyphs are obviously vary). Is it better now or what?[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=TheSilverDust]Umm, what support should I get in case someone picked [[Twitch]]?[/quote] All-round supports like Braum and Thresh do very well, he needs some kind of protection but can be played aggressively if he has the proper tools. [quote=Blian][b]I think most of us take flat ad marks on supports like [[Thresh]], [[Alistar]] or [[Braum]][/b]. However I've just checked recently some of the best supports on the world and they all run armor marks, flat hp seals and armor quints (glyphs are obviously vary). Is it better now or what?[/quote] I don't know what you're basing the highlighted part on but I've always recommended that setup (armour marks, hp seals, armour quints) for Braum/Alistar.[/quote]

[quote=sanyona]What supports do you pick to counter blitzcrank and morgana? I'm having a hard time against a good Morgana as both adc and supp :/[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=sanyona]What supports do you pick to counter blitzcrank and morgana? I'm having a hard time against a good Morgana as both adc and supp :/[/quote] Blitzcrank: Morg does pretty well if you're good with your spellshields, but other champions that do fine in general are tanky champions like Braum, Alistar. Janna can work as well because she's super hard to hook and she provides a lot of defense for her ADC if he/she gets hooked. Morgana: any champion that can pressure her in lane and doesn't really get bothered too much can do fine. I personally like Lulu a lot but she isn't in the best state as support. Janna/Nami do fine (although the latter is very hard to play and the matchup is VERY skill dependent) as well. Finally, you can play Thresh if you are very aware of the cooldowns (i.e. bait spellshield with Q, back off, go when your Q is off cooldown again and her E is still down) but it is difficult and generally that lane will result in a stalemate unless one side outplays the other.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]Lanes that shove [[morgana]] into tower make it difficult for her to really exert pressure. Additionally, champions that can poke through the minion wave give [[morgana]] a hard time.[/quote]

[quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Personally, I like [[Karma]] into [[Morgana]], but post-six [[Morgana]] actually has an ultimate and [[Karma]] really doesn't (which often shifts the advantage unless you play it carefully).[/quote]

[quote=Ekki][quote=sanyona]I'm having a hard time against a good Morgana as both adc and supp :/[/quote]A [[sivir]] with decent shields has a good lane against both [[morgana]] and [[blitzcrank]]. She can also deal damage through the minion wave with her boomerang. IDK if there are other good adcs for the matchup (and this is a supp thread), but she's like the most clear counter so I figured I should mention her.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=utopus]Lanes that shove [[morgana]] into tower make it difficult for her to really exert pressure. Additionally, champions that can poke through the minion wave give [[morgana]] a hard time.[/quote] Yes, I should've written shove instead of pressure. Morg is useless if she can't push out her lane. The champions mentioned excel at this though. [quote=The_Nameless_Bard]Personally, I like [[Karma]] into [[Morgana]], but post-six [[Morgana]] actually has an ultimate and [[Karma]] really doesn't (which often shifts the advantage unless you play it carefully).[/quote] Karma is super good in lane vs morg indeed (even at 6 because she's so hard to catch with shields) but her late game may still be meh, therefore requires you to snowball lane [quote=Ekki][quote=sanyona]I'm having a hard time against a good Morgana as both adc and supp :/[/quote]A [[sivir]] with decent shields has a good lane against both [[morgana]] and [[blitzcrank]]. She can also deal damage through the minion wave with her boomerang. IDK if there are other good adcs for the matchup (and this is a supp thread), but she's like the most clear counter so I figured I should mention her.[/quote] Sivir is good indeed but you really rely on that spell shield (it is outplayable). Lucian does fine as well because he can push the wave at all times and has a low cost escape (although of course an outplayable one).[/quote]

[quote=Dune0z]I have been testing a experimental build in Normals and anted to hear your thoughts, The build consists of getting a tear on your first back, then The Dark Seal right after, Rushing into a Mejais and then finishing support item and sightstone, Then depending on the game getting a Frozen Heart/Locket/Rabadons, With the goal to bring lots of utility and raw AP into the late game, And snowballing the early game. is it worth the trouble?[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Dune0z]I have been testing a experimental build in Normals and anted to hear your thoughts, The build consists of getting a tear on your first back, then The Dark Seal right after, Rushing into a Mejais and then finishing support item and sightstone, Then depending on the game getting a Frozen Heart/Locket/Rabadons, With the goal to bring lots of utility and raw AP into the late game, And snowballing the early game. is it worth the trouble?[/quote] I swear, this whole site is on drugs.[/quote]