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What will be the next sleeper strong champ?

Creator: Yukimaru April 4, 2012 12:21pm
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Mooninites wrote:

Mundo's skillset is actually quite poor. His E Blunt Force Trauma scales off his % missing health

While this is true, this does not make him scale with HP. In fact, having more HP will tend to make Masochism less useful. This is because more HP means that any given amount of damage leaves you with a higher percentage of HP remaining. So, strictly, Masochism only really scales with AS to boost the effectiveness of the steroid, and survivability in general hurts its scaling.

This is not, of course, to say that survivability necessarily lowers the effectiveness of Masochism, but that Masochism doesn't scale with any form of survivability.
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well if you say so
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There is no "One path" for Mundo, because none of his skills have any sort of centralized idea. They all function on independent concepts, lol.
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lifebaka wrote:


While this is true, this does not make him scale with HP. In fact, having more HP will tend to make Masochism less useful. This is because more HP means that any given amount of damage leaves you with a higher percentage of HP remaining. So, strictly, Masochism only really scales with AS to boost the effectiveness of the steroid, and survivability in general hurts its scaling.

This is not, of course, to say that survivability necessarily lowers the effectiveness of Masochism, but that Masochism doesn't scale with any form of survivability.


yes, I'm not trying to argue that he scales better off health, I'm just saying the itemization that his ult and passive flourish on is in direct contrast to his E
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It scales with survivability primarily for the reason of less survivability = less time to use it (unless you get focused down to 10% then are left completely alone somehow).
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RCIX wrote:

It scales with survivability primarily for the reason of less survivability = less time to use it (unless you get focused down to 10% then are left completely alone somehow).

No, that's not ability scaling. If it were, literally every ability in the game would scale with survivability, because living longer means that you can use it more. And virtually all abilities would also scale with mana, because you'd be able to use them more. But that isn't what ability scaling is about. Ability scaling is about how to get the most out of a single activation of the ability, not necessarily how to get the most out of an ability over time.

Now, I'm not arguing that one shouldn't build survivability on Mundo. It's pretty obvious that one should. But there are a lot of people who build survivability even though they don't actually scale with it (pretty much every single off-tank).
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Blunt Force Trauma has the highest AD buff of any ability in the game, even without the percent health missing.
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^If you have an atma, Enrage totally buffs you for more :P

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