Xerath and Skarner Reworks: Better or worse?

[quote=I post stuff]The logic behind the skarner rework is solid. They let him keep his attack speed buff permantly thus making his duelling power more reliable, gave him a MS/Shield skill that's actually on par with other similar abilies and gave him the ability to slow targets from afar so that his ganks are less of a feast or famine thing. Pre-rework he relied way too much on his W to do anything. Once his W shield was gone he lost his MS/AS buff. Upon losing that his duelling power dropped dramatically and his ability to get close and personal dropped to null. This meant that there was no longer a way for him to apply his slow and actually stick to the target which in turn reduced his kill potential to null. Back in the day when he was a sleeper OP champion people generally didn't realise that hitting him once could stop him from getting in range, thus not letting him to just Q things to death all day long. Also, his R was impossible to escape from back then as it let him to "break" peoples flashes. He dropped out of favour once his ult was fixed and shield CD increased (don't quote me on that bit). People also learnt to remove his shield asap after he was FoTM for a while. Something tells me he might become FoTM even without any buffs in his current state.[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0][quote=I post stuff] The logic behind the skarner rework is solid. They let him keep his attack speed buff permantly thus making his duelling power more reliable, gave him a MS/Shield skill that's actually on par with other similar abilies and gave him the ability to slow targets from afar so that his ganks are less of a feast or famine thing. Something tells me he might become FoTM even without any buffs in his current state. [/quote] What threads have you been reading? I cant tell you about his condition from prerework, but the fact his slow has a CD of about 6-7 seconds now, which means that his ganking is even more feast or famine than before. The fact he has an MS boost doesnt make him any better at ganking pre-6 anyway because the enemy can just gapclose and get away from him. Basically I can tell just by reading this thread and not actually ever playing Skarner he isnt going to be flavour of the month.[/quote]

[quote=I post stuff][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0] [quote=I post stuff] The logic behind the skarner rework is solid. They let him keep his attack speed buff permantly thus making his duelling power more reliable, gave him a MS/Shield skill that's actually on par with other similar abilies and gave him the ability to slow targets from afar so that his ganks are less of a feast or famine thing. Something tells me he might become FoTM even without any buffs in his current state. [/quote] What threads have you been reading? I cant tell you about his condition from prerework, but the fact his slow has a CD of about 6-7 seconds now, which means that his ganking is even more feast or famine than before. The fact he has an MS boost doesnt make him any better at ganking pre-6 anyway because the enemy can just gapclose and get away from him. Basically I can tell just by reading this thread and not actually ever playing Skarner he isnt going to be flavour of the month. [/quote] Pre-rework he couldn't apply slow at all if the enemy had and used a gapclose. Now he can snipe people with a fairly strong slow and catch up together with the laner for the kill. I explained it all in my previous post already. I suggest you read the whole thing. Why did you edit my post in your quote though? Is that how you read?[/quote]

[quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0]Everything else seemed to make a vague amount of sense, so I left it out. I'm pretty sure some of the issues I mentioned in my post are still valid, considering that other people have mentioned them, and even though I haven't played Skarner, last time I checked neither had you, so theres that. My main issue is when someone who says they aren't going to play LoL anymore decides to theorycraft something, completely opposite to what everyone else on the thread is saying, and then say Skarner is FotM. [h5] BTW can someone call the ghostbusters please[/h5][/quote]

[quote=QuiGonRob]I really like the new Xerath (not sure about the old one - Only just unlocked him). Theres something really satisfying about melting face from distance. His E is a waste of an ability though. It's really that bad. His ultimate is great for picking off multiple low-hp targets, double-kills and triple-kills galore if you time it right and can aim. He seems to me (in pre-30 games, anyway) really good against other mages, because he can do essentially free damage to almost everyone (if you can aim). Provided you land your shots, he's fun to use. I dont have the experience to say one way or another how Viabe he is - Especially because i'm not level 30 yet, but i thought i'd offer some pre-30 experiences with him. Can't comment at all on Skarner - He didn't appeal to me before, still doesnt appeal to me now.[/quote]

[quote=I post stuff][quote=Jimmydoggga 2.0] Everything else seemed to make a vague amount of sense, so I left it out. I'm pretty sure some of the issues I mentioned in my post are still valid, considering that other people have mentioned them, and even though I haven't played Skarner, last time I checked neither had you, so theres that. My main issue is when someone who says they aren't going to play LoL anymore decides to theorycraft something, completely opposite to what everyone else on the thread is saying, and then say Skarner is FotM. [h5] BTW can someone call the ghostbusters please[/h5] [/quote] Looks like you haven't checked properly. I used to main Skarner from his release to mid S3 so there's that. It seems that your main issue is related primerely to me not playing LoL anymore and your opinion about Skarner rework is based entirely on the amount of people who wrote "Skarner is Olaf'd". Imho someone who is completely unfamiliar with a champ comparing his pre and post nerf state is way worse than someone who quit the game but used to main the said champ drawing that comparison It's not unheard of for the power of certain champions and reworks to be overlooked. Time will tell whether it is going to be the case with Skarner but the rework is a step in the right direction regardless. I already wrote why.[/quote]

[quote=MyBloodisBlack]I have to say I have be impressed with [[Xerath]] improvements, I played him last week and didn't do too bad with him I suppose I am lucky because I never played [[Skarner]] so I won't have any issues with his new set up[/quote]