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Skarner Help :(

Creator: Aceboy360 August 13, 2011 8:59am
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So Im reading guides and almost every guide I read was a hybrid build or a build that had more AD than AP. Why is Skarner a hybrid when each of his skills gets bonuses from AP and only Crystal Slash gets an AD boost?
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He's kind of useless without AD as his auto attacks are a key part of his attack rotation. He gets faster cooldowns as he attacks so, naturally, you would want to build AD on him to get the most effect off all his skills.
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Some champions ( Corki and Ezreal come to mind) use their skills more for their utility than damage. Take a look at the ability scaling and the champion's role in a team comp to determine the best build.

If you build Skarner AP, you'll be relying on the following skills to do damage.
Fracture: Has decent scaling, but is more useful as a heal than a nuke.
Impale: Has pretty low scaling for an ultimate, and its utility as a disable is more valuable than the sheer damage it does.
Crystalline Exoskeleton will also get a better shield, but that won't let you do damage.

Taking into account that Skarner is generally supposed to be built for survivability (or at least played as such), building him AP is less viable than other champions like Rumble with a better skillset for magic attacks. Just use an AD or hybrid build, and use his abilities for their utility. Of course you could always try out an AP build in a custom game, but I think you'll find he's a bit less effective than he could be with some AD.
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Hybrid is the optimal way to go because while building Full AP is viable, he is a close range champ which is why building AP alone is not as viable as Hybrid. Since your Crystal Slash is basically an extra auto attack you are able to lay down lots of damage from both your skill and auto attacks. Despite the fact that pure AP would strengthen your Fracture it is far too poor of a skillshot for its lack of range to harass with, along with a high mana cost, AP is just not as viable. That's not to say you CANT build AP it's just maybe not the best way to utelize Skarner as a champion. Check out my Skarner guide and maybe it will help.

Building full AD, is also possible (as it is with virtually any champ) but it then makes some of his skills lose their actual potential.

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Hybrid is the optimal way to go because while building Full AP is viable, he is a close range champ which is why building AP alone is not as viable as Hybrid.


The rest of your post is fine, but I take issue with this statement.
Mordekaiser is a close range champ. He's built AP.
Akali is a close range champ. She's built AP (or should be).
Rumble is a close range champ. He's built AP.

Skarner's range isn't the issue, it's the utility and scaling of his abilities.
Also, building full AP is NOT "viable" (to my knowledge). AP may be possible for Skarner, but that does not make it viable in serious play.

Not trying to be confrontational, I'm just trying to clear something up. Sorry if I sound a little critical.
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If he's going to be built full AP, he needs to be built like Rumble. Tanky AP.
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Lugignaf wrote:

If he's going to be built full AP, he needs to be built like Rumble. Tanky AP.


I still think he's going to end up like AP Warwick if he's built like that. Kinda nice in a weird sort of way, but not at all viable.
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Yeah, sorry my statement is not really a legitimate statement. I have seen a few guides on building him AP, I did not think it was really possible but others told me it was viable. (Viable meaning you can do it but maybe not do well in Ranked/Competative play) I would never build Skarner in this way, but technically you can build any champ any way you want, it is just not always optimal. Like an AP Vayne xD lol

Even though..
Mordekaiser He is a melee champ but your auto attacks are not relied on as heavily as your "Ranged" abilities all of which have better range than Skarner
Akali More similar to Skarner but her ulti has incredible range.
Rumble Again, more range than Skarner has allowing for more utility.

My point is that they are built AP because they have more utility than Skarner, they are not reliant on auto attacks as much as Skarner is. The fact that he can be built AP, does not mean you really should. Like AD Swain, something or other. This is why it is Optimal to build for some/more AD.

Also I think Skarner's AP scaling should be increased and mana cost reduced. Anyone agree??
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Skarner is a hybrid champ by design a weird one because only 1 skill has a ad ratio but a hybrid champ non the less. Also hes a hybrid champ because he need attack speed( in most cases). His passive is a clear cut hybrid passive.Energize.

RIOT made him that way and he will be played that way.
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Yeah, sorry my statement is not really a legitimate statement. I have seen a few guides on building him AP, I did not think it was really possible but others told me it was viable. (Viable meaning you can do it but maybe not do well in Ranked/Competative play) I would never build Skarner in this way, but technically you can build any champ any way you want, it is just not always optimal. Like an AP Vayne xD lol

Even though..
Mordekaiser He is a melee champ but your auto attacks are not relied on as heavily as your "Ranged" abilities all of which have better range than Skarner
Akali More similar to Skarner but her ulti has incredible range.
Rumble Again, more range than Skarner has allowing for more utility.

My point is that they are built AP because they have more utility than Skarner, they are not reliant on auto attacks as much as Skarner is. The fact that he can be built AP, does not mean you really should. Like AD Swain, something or other. This is why it is Optimal to build for some/more AD.

Also I think Skarner's AP scaling should be increased and mana cost reduced. Anyone agree??

Ap Nasus bro....
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