Anyone play Veigar?

[quote=caucheka]annie and brand are both considered top tier mages.[/quote]

[quote=omagma]I know that it is generally disliked, but my build don't have a DFG i go dorans ring, boots, deathcap. That is my simple core, works pretty well.[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]I usually build AA staff. Gives me the mana I need to do... stuff. Also, I beat out a brand in mid lane because he rushed a deathcap and was almost constantly OOM while I rushed more utilitarian items. Also, predicting he was going to be mid and starting with boots 3 pots might have helped a bit as well. The only real hard thing about him is leading your Dark matter. If you can land that though, you're golden.[/quote]

[quote=Baxxie]Veigar gets more Ap for each champion kill, no? And it does not even have to be done by Q. Also, Veigar's stun is kinda countered by smart play, that may be why he is not liked so much. His Ws are also easily dodged, however his ultimate is very fierce. Well, I don't know, he is probably as good as most other AP champs, but just unpopular due to his spells not being ez-shots, but skillshots. (W and E.)[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS][quote=PotatisFarfar] Only thing holding him back is his shit laning :s [/quote] absurd mana costs long CDs unnoticeable passive....that encompasses his poor lane...but get farm and u win. Veig is a niche champ. Eu double ap teams or 1 ap carry and new meta (aggressive farming ap building supports I mean) are great targets for him.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995][quote=Aeacus11] Any particular recommendations for champions considered "better" than veigar that play/build similar to him? Should I just start playing Annie instead? [/quote] I think [[anivia]] could be considered similar in playstyle to veigar, in some respects.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]his passive isnt that bad you just need to get mana regen from other sources. like i usually rush a [[tear of the goddess]] followed by a [[fiendish codex]] for that mana regen. which gives a free meki pendant when sitting at 0 mana.[/quote]

[quote=JEFFY40HANDS]I also get tear. But still to me the passive could be better.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]yeah i know he could use a new passive or a buff to his passive. im just saying its not as bad as people think, they just need to build some manaregen or get mana regen runes. at least its so much better than his old passive. oh god his old passive.. *shiver*[/quote]

[quote=samgoeslol]just start meki pendant/boots and rush a fiendish np. just fyi u dont have to lasthit every creep with q. just do that to keep you on low mana to maximize your passives impact and keep farming as much as possible. (keep in mind to always save up enaugh mana for stun) btw stun is not easily dodged since you can put on an opponent in a manner that stuns him instantly. how to dodge that? greez sam[/quote]