Initial Karma Thoughts

[quote=TheWorldAsunder]I think going into a game blind and getting 4/0 is a good sign. Q is useful as hell, especially with mantra. W is also useful as hell provided your team understands it.. E is a bubble - so yeah, great. R... Wow do I love this R. D: EDIT: Currently building: Dorans->Lucidity Boots->Void Staff->Bangsky cap Skill priority: Q first then alternate W and E[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995]I don't think her mantras are useful enough without rushing (and I mean devoting every god damn penny you earn) to CDR. That's just my 2 cents. After that (because chances are, the CDR items are support items) I'd just grab support/AP combo items like [[will of the ancients]], [[abyssal scepter]], maybe a [[rylai's crystal scepter]] for mega slow on your W, and maybe even an [[aegis of the legion]] if your team is squishy.[/quote]

[quote=TheWorldAsunder]I find that CDR boots give her enough to be ridiculously effective throughout the game. Also - every time I go back, I find myself builing a bunch of dorans if I have the money. The rings are amazing on her. Also finding lichbane to be great on her. Most recent game went 21/9/17 with a tank who left. :D ALSO worth noting: W scales better with AP than Q or E. Tethering enemy champs from getting away isn't always optimal. I find myself tethering minions to hit champs with the laser a lot. Along with that - Laser->Q is minion farm fun.[/quote]

[quote=Trojan995][quote=TheWorldAsunder] I find that CDR boots give her enough to be ridiculously effective throughout the game. Also - every time I go back, I find myself builing a bunch of dorans if I have the money. The rings are amazing on her. Also finding lichbane to be great on her. Most recent game went 21/9/17 with a tank who left. :D [/quote] If you're playing AP nuke then that's probably a good idea but there's so much good support CDR that it's pointless to avoid it. Also, most of the reason people stack Doran's blades is to get the health and life steal that isn't so common on AD items. AP nukers can easily grab a Rylai's or a RoA and get the same effect, but so much more bang for the buck. So it might be best to forsake Doran's Ring stacking for other health-stacking AP items.[/quote]

[quote=TheWorldAsunder]The difference is the fact that I generally have been side laning, and thus not getting the gold I would want for something like RoA really early. When I make my first buy I almost ALWAYS want boots. And when I make that first buy, I generally also only have enough for like boots + Blasting wand. Thus, buying doran's ring + boots + dorans gives you the best bang for the buck. I'd rather take +30AP +200HP +6MP5 +Movespeed 2 than I would +Movespeed 2 +40 AP. :P Especially considering that karma's passive scales her AP so much, it's better to be alive longer below around half. Yeah, dorans got a bit more expensive, but they are still very much worth the money to buy.[/quote]

[quote=caucheka]i think shes great, played a few games with her already. as i already posted, i'm building 2 [[philosopher's stones]] FIRST! [[ionian boots of lucidity]] [[rabadon's deathcap]] [[archangel's staff]] (getting the tear before rabadons) then survivability or more ap.[/quote]

[quote=Riggsinator]I like her. But I shouldn't have bought her yet. She's a synergy champion and a large majority of people have no clue how to play with her on their team.[/quote]

[quote=Searz][quote=caucheka] 2 [[philosopher's stone]]s FIRST! [[ionian boots of lucidity]] [[rabadon's deathcap]] [[archangel's staff]] (getting the tear before rabadons)[/quote] Philo stone isn't that good an item. It's more useful when bought to later upgrade into [[Shurelia's Reverie]].[/quote]

[quote=hypershatter]edit: [quote=TheWorldAsunder] W is also useful as hell provided YOU understand it.. [/quote][/quote]

[quote=DEWO]Played fiew games with her. I am TOTALY NOT support type of guy so you know... She lacks CC for a support. Her range is very short even the bubble thing. Now she is suffering from the "new hero bonanza" so everyone wans to kill her right away. For me its hard to think out of the box and use the shield damage while shielding others. Usualy i am unpatient for my teammate to accualy get into position good enaugh to use it. Usualy i am landing inside battle and that leads to... death. Tried to build her as a AP nuke also. :/ meh... She is a great support tho. Saved my teammates ALOT of times. But it feels like beeing a fuckin soraka with a bit more power on spells. Need a bit more testin. Today i will try to go a bit more supportish with some CDR and totaly space out in the back of my allies. She is a good farmer tho and not that mana thirsty unless you take Clarity. But i am thinkin more and more about ignite for a bit more nuke powah. Final thoughts: - Good farmer - Short range - Medium damage - No cc = bad - Long cd's require blue buff farming or CDR itemisation - Dependable on team - Matra charges that you cold hold should be increased to 4 imho. 2 every 30s is way UP. - Fun to play with keeping ppl on a leash[/quote]