Quill Coat/SotAG impressions?

[quote=Fat_fast]It's extremely useful. Getting quill/SoTAG+spirit stone/razor clears jungle like nobody's business. A shame that FF is now officially useless.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]yes because ganking without red buff totally isnt showing the enemy jungler a flag that says "GO AHEAD AND STEAL MY RED AND THEN COUNTER JUNGLE ME ALL GAME BECAUSE IM ALISTAR"[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]And? Who cares if they counterjungle you? You just gank 24/7 anyway and don't jungle at all.[/quote]

[quote=DillButt64]and then youre levels behind and have very little items because you cant use your conservation stacks because there are no monsters for you to kill meanwhile that lee sin is going to be fed after taking your camps constantly and counterganking you[/quote]

[quote=king boo311]As if [[Amumu]] didn't have enough waveclear. I love this item, I think I might play Amoomoo more - especially because Liandry's + Rylai's (if I opt to buy them) get's even more HP with SotAG's passive.[/quote]

[quote=utopus]EWW LIANDRYS RYLAIS GET AWAY FROM ME. lol liandrys really isn't worth it on amumu. Any time i'd want liandrys, i'd much rather have an [[abyssal scepter]] or something of the like. or [[deathfire grasp]] kappa[/quote]

[quote=king boo311][quote=utopus] EWW LIANDRYS RYLAIS GET AWAY FROM ME. lol liandrys really isn't worth it on amumu. Any time i'd want liandrys, i'd much rather have an [[abyssal scepter]] or something of the like. or [[deathfire grasp]] kappa [/quote] B-but, I like using it in such low elo. (JK, yeah I use Abyssal most of the time, I only get Liandry's if they have no threatening APs.)[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Interesting that the Diamond Ranked Guide here on mobafire sees [[liandry's torment]] as core item. And only noobs who can't play with him shouldn't get it, lolz. Also, [[Amumu]] definitly clears faster with [[spirit of the spectral wraith]]. WAAAY faster. BTW: [[alistar]] doesn't need any gold to do something, [[headbutt]]+[[pulverize]] is avaiable even without gold. If you pick [[alistar]], make sure your enemy picked someone who is slow as fuck as well, of course. Which idiot would pick [[alistar]] into [[lee sin]]?[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=NicknameMy] BTW: [[alistar]] doesn't need any gold to do something, [[headbutt]]+[[pulverize]] is avaiable even without gold. If you pick [[alistar]], make sure your enemy picked someone who is slow as fuck as well, of course. Which idiot would pick [[alistar]] into [[lee sin]]? [/quote] Well, he's not really useful without mana... or cooldowns. And secondly, you're basing your jungle pick on them on picking someone fast. so, you basically have to pick Ali jungle last. And they also have to not have a strong invade. And then they have to be sort of decently pushed up. There's far too many variables to make Alistar jungle decent. hell, even "slow" junglers could screw over Alistar in the jungle. Amumu walks in and you can't really fight him. He doesn't really care about you knocking him away or knocking him up. He's still doing AoE DPS. And now you're out a clearing spell. Alistar jungle is just bad. EDIT: You totally ignored levels too. If you get counterjungled, you're going to be super underleveled, under-tanky, and just generally useless, even with a low cooldown [[unstoppable force]].[/quote]

[quote=khasck]It makes Udyr a useless tanky fish. If you play utility udyr it's probably useful. Also, you can tank dragon at level 3 with quil, so that's kind of great.[/quote]