Recent PBE Notes: Crushing the Sustain

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Vynertje] [quote=Mooninites] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=mastrer1000] i overall dislike league's balancing because it pretty much only consists of nerfing into the ground whatever is overpowered right now, waiting what gets overpowered next and nerfing that. this is what happened to all the adc's, to the "classic" ap ranged midlaners, to olaf, and to a ton of other champions. The only thing that i am happy about is that one day, everything will be so nerfed that ryze is op again. [/quote] Riot has no clue on how to balance their own game. Also they keep designing stuff which is essentially broken like targeted CC and resourceless champions. [/quote] don't forget insane gap-closers. Why even bother releasing a champion if it doesn't have a gap closer [/quote] [[jinx]] is the strongest ADC right now and doesn't have any mobility? [/quote] ADC is an entirely different role atm. They almost exclusively exist to destroy towers and [[Jinx]] is probably the best ADC at doing that.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000][quote=Vynertje] [[jinx]] is the strongest ADC right now and doesn't have any mobility? [/quote] From what I've heard Jinx is considered weak(er) in Asia for this exact reason.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Vynertje] [quote=Mooninites] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=mastrer1000] i overall dislike league's balancing because it pretty much only consists of nerfing into the ground whatever is overpowered right now, waiting what gets overpowered next and nerfing that. this is what happened to all the adc's, to the "classic" ap ranged midlaners, to olaf, and to a ton of other champions. The only thing that i am happy about is that one day, everything will be so nerfed that ryze is op again. [/quote] Riot has no clue on how to balance their own game. Also they keep designing stuff which is essentially broken like targeted CC and resourceless champions. [/quote] don't forget insane gap-closers. Why even bother releasing a champion if it doesn't have a gap closer [/quote] [[jinx]] is the strongest ADC right now and doesn't have any mobility? [/quote] ADC is an entirely different role atm. They almost exclusively exist to destroy towers and [[Jinx]] is probably the best ADC at doing that. [/quote] I disagree with this. [[jinx]] has insane tank killing potential because of her AS boost and ADC's are still capable of dealing significant amounts of damage. [quote=Luther3000] [quote=Vynertje] [[jinx]] is the strongest ADC right now and doesn't have any mobility? [/quote] From what I've heard Jinx is considered weak(er) in Asia for this exact reason. [/quote] This is correct, but she's strong regardless. Her damages are insane as long as she lives through fights.[/quote]

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[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=Vynertje] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=Vynertje] [quote=Mooninites] [quote=GrandmasterD] [quote=mastrer1000] i overall dislike league's balancing because it pretty much only consists of nerfing into the ground whatever is overpowered right now, waiting what gets overpowered next and nerfing that. this is what happened to all the adc's, to the "classic" ap ranged midlaners, to olaf, and to a ton of other champions. The only thing that i am happy about is that one day, everything will be so nerfed that ryze is op again. [/quote] Riot has no clue on how to balance their own game. Also they keep designing stuff which is essentially broken like targeted CC and resourceless champions. [/quote] don't forget insane gap-closers. Why even bother releasing a champion if it doesn't have a gap closer [/quote] [[jinx]] is the strongest ADC right now and doesn't have any mobility? [/quote] ADC is an entirely different role atm. They almost exclusively exist to destroy towers and [[Jinx]] is probably the best ADC at doing that. [/quote] I disagree with this. [[jinx]] has insane tank killing potential because of her AS boost and ADC's are still capable of dealing significant amounts of damage. [/quote] Sure they deal damage if you let them but pretty much everything can kill them now 1v1 throughout the game. Supports and Junglers are getting so much gold now that even late-game it's tough for ADCs to survive.[/quote]

[quote=Pheyniex][quote=GrandmasterD] Riot has no clue on how to balance their own game. Also they keep designing stuff which is essentially broken like targeted CC and resourceless champions. [/quote] most costs and damage values are multples of 5 and whenever there is a change it has a factor of 2. there is no care on balance. riot is satisfied on changing the values on a rough edge so that there is a definitive recycling of champions to be used, not a clear overall choice of 115 champions.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Junglers getting more gold than in S3? I thought they gain less because of the added camp and this way the loss of farm, unless they are super fast like [[shyvana]] or [[master yi]]. But supports get way more gold, that is right.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=NicknameMy] Junglers getting more gold than in S3? I thought they gain less because of the added camp and this way the loss of farm, unless they are super fast like [[shyvana]] or [[master yi]]. But supports get way more gold, that is right. [/quote] 1) Yi isn't super fast. 2) My Spirit item always gives me between 700-1100 gold every game which is already a huge improvement.[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje]Less gold because of the fourth camp? That doesn't make sense to me. And yes, junglers indeed get quite a lot of more gold as of S4. Especially because junglers aren't second supports anymore and actually building damage to clear the jungle faster I guess.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]They made another camp, but for that, reduced the rewards the other camps give (which was just nonsense, btw). And most champs can't clear all camps in one run, so that results into less gold. But yeah, the spirit item change obviously results into more gold aswell. Still, exp got reduced aswell and that is why junglers have in games with normal score the same level than botlane instead of a level between bot and solo like in S3.[/quote]