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The Black Cleaver and Last Whisper combo

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Just a question I've asked my friends after they made fun of me for getting both of the items (Black Cleaver and Last Whisper) :P. Forgot the reason behind it, but long story short getting both of the items reduces your overall damage. Is this true? Or false?!

Not sure if there was already a post about this but please answer!!:D
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Arpen/reduction works by minimizing the efficiency of stacking multiple kinds of it. It applies in the following order (roughly):

* Armor reductions and shreds (Black Cleaver) < Can reduce armor below 0
* Flat Armor penetration < cannot force effective armor below 0
* Percentage armor penetration < cannot force effective armor below 0

Applying Black Cleaver stacks then a Last Whisper results in the black cleaver reductions only ending up giving 27 (or 9 per stack) total.
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Like RCIX said, it reduces it's effectiveness.

It goes in this order:

Percent Armor Reduction: Dragon Strike, Slice and Dice
Flat Armor Reduction: The Black Cleaver
Flat Armor Penetration: Youmuu's Ghostblade, Ragnarok
Percentage Armor Penetration: Last Whisper

Armor penetration can not take an enemies armor below 0, where as reduction can.

If you were to stack The Black Cleaver and Last Whisper, against a 200 armor opponent, you would reduce 45 armor ( The Black Cleaver), and then penetrate 62 armor ( Last Whisper), which is 107 armor gotten rid of. As opposed to 80 armor penetrated from Last Whisper alone. It just makes Last Whisper less effective paired together with The Black Cleaver, and usually makes the combo more cost inefficient.

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DuffTime wrote:
ok ok plz carry me omg
i was only waiting for you to ask

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We give this whole detailed explanation, and you just do a wiki link. QQ, lol.

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I laughed IceCreamy
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Game Over. Would you like to try again? 3 continues remaining.

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Well that is where the wiki is for right? ;D

DuffTime wrote:
ok ok plz carry me omg
i was only waiting for you to ask

Temzilla wrote:
Too hot to be icecream.

Luther3000 wrote:
He looks like a hair gel advert on legs

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Oh right, the wiki. Speaking of that, I should probably be working on it ...

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