The Black Cleaver vs Last Whisper: A...

[quote=DuffTime]As a guy who has played a lot of Pantheon, Sheen isn't something you buy, ever, unless you're building Atmogg's and coupling it with a Triforce, and you'll be batshit weak all game until all 3 items are done.[/quote]

[quote=animorte]I have played Pantheon a lot as well and figured out that Sheen is great. It gives me a lot of damage. I don't know why it seems to fail in your eyes. In fact, I have found that Sheen is an insane damage multiplier for anybody who has abilities with a 4 second cooldown or less. I have dedicated a lot of my playing with a select few champions to finding how to give them as much damage as possible in as few items as possible, so I can focus on being able to take a hit as well. Sheen just so happens to help with that. The power of Sheen just seems so obvious to me...[/quote]

[quote=Skaeling]I would almost always get TBC, because low def carries should be your teams first priority, thus TBC is the way to go. Dont see a point buying LW because their Garen has 150+ armor. So melee ADs : always TBC ranged ADs: TBC unless you rely on yor skills to do damage a lot (urgot and stuff) same argument as with bloodrazor... you wont focus a chogath because its cost effective to get bloodrazors[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]^ Fallacy.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]SO much fail here. Lol. Soooo muchhhh failllll.[/quote]

[quote=animorte]*Sigh... This is getting nowhere... /endthread[/quote]

[quote=Skaeling][quote=Skaeling] I would almost always get TBC, because low def carries should be your teams first priority, thus TBC is the way to go. Dont see a point buying LW because their Garen has 150+ armor. So melee ADs : always TBC ranged ADs: TBC unless you rely on yor skills to do damage a lot (urgot and stuff) same argument as with bloodrazor... you wont focus a chogath because its cost effective to get bloodrazors [/quote] [quote=Luther3000] ^ Fallacy. [/quote] I dont see whats wrong with my idea, but would be delighted if you would explain :) I always assume that targeting high def targets is fail, and logically high damage enemies will have lower defensive values (as they invest in offensive inventory) thus IMO it would make sense to shred the little armor they have with TBC. Ofc I understand that AD casters will still prefer LW because it involves no autoattck stacking.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]You [i]have[/i] to attack high defence targets on an AD carry because they're the ones charging at you trying to kill you. If you're in range of targeting the enemies with no armour then you're also in range of being targeted by every single member of the enemy team - suicide on an AD carry. 'Don't focus the tanks' is a common misconception spread by players who don't know any better.[/quote]

[quote=animorte]Don't focus tanks. CC tanks. That way you don't have to worry about killing them yet and they can't annihilate the positioning of your team. Every time it goes well (as in your tank initiating properly and supports supporting) the AD Carry jumps in and destroys the enemy team one by one, starting from the weakest in defence to the highest, NOT the other way around.[/quote]

[quote=Luther3000]Oh boy you really don't understand AD carries. Put it this way, Olaf is on the enemy team. Olaf is stacking armour and health. Every teamfight, Olaf ults, ghosts and runs at you spamming Q and E. What do you do? Answer: You buy Last Whisper, kite him and try to kill him before he kills you. Hopefully with your support helping you. Almost all offtanks and some AP carries will rush straight for you in this way and wasting CC on them is not going to solve things.[/quote]