With the recent Warmogs nerf...

[quote=Zeprido]I would like to bring to the attention an item combination that I feel rivals Atmogs in effectiveness. Lets look at Atmogs first. [[Warmog's Armor]] [[atma's impaler]] Total cost: 5355 This gives us 1270 HP, 40 hp/5, 45 armor, 18 CsC, and 25.4 AD not including champion health. The item composition I would like to suggest consists of the following. [[Randuin's Omen]][[Banshee's veil]][[Atma's Impaler]] Total Cost: 8145 (Effective cost 7545 with HoG for 20 minutes) This gives us 725 HP, 375 Mana, 25 hp/5, 125 Armor, 50 MR, 18% CsC, 14.5 AD, 5% CDR, 20% chance to slow attacker when attacked, a blocked spell every 45 seconds, and an active 35% aoe slow that affects movespeed AND attack speed for AT LEAST 2 seconds. For about 2192 more gold, yes, we are missing out on 545 health, 15 hp/5 and about 10 AD, but we gain 375 Mana, 75 Armor, 50 MR, 5% CDR, a blocked spell every 45 seconds, and an active 35% aoe slow that affects movespeed AND attack speed for AT LEAST 2 seconds. [u][b]TLDR[/b]: [/u] [[Randuin's Omen]][[Banshee's veil]][[Atma's Impaler]] 2192 more gold than Atmogs LESS: 545 health, 15 hp/5 and about 10 AD MORE: 375 Mana, 75 Armor, 50 MR, 5% CDR, a blocked spell every 45 seconds, and an active 35% aoe slow that affects movespeed AND attack speed for AT LEAST 2 seconds. Now, discuss. (if you feel other item combinations that rival, feel free to suggest, but please include costs, and stat differences.)[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]Warmogg's was nerfed because it was OP. It's still the best HP item in the game. Atmogg's will still be a viable combination. That's my opinion.[/quote]

[quote=ZioSerpe][quote=Zeprido] I would like to bring to the attention an item combination that I feel rivals Atmogs in effectiveness. Lets look at Atmogs first. [[Warmog's Armor]] [[atma's impaler]] Total cost: 5355 This gives us 1270 HP, 40 hp/5, 45 armor, 18 CsC, and 25.4 AD not including champion health. The item composition I would like to suggest consists of the following. [[Randuin's Omen]][[Banshee's veil]][[Atma's Impaler]] Total Cost: 8145 (Effective cost 7545 with HoG for 20 minutes) This gives us 725 HP, 375 Mana, 25 hp/5, 125 Armor, 50 MR, 18% CsC, 14.5 AD, 5% CDR, 20% chance to slow attacker when attacked, a blocked spell every 45 seconds, and an active 35% aoe slow that affects movespeed AND attack speed for AT LEAST 2 seconds. For about 2192 more gold, yes, we are missing out on 545 health, 15 hp/5 and about 10 AD, but we gain 375 Mana, 75 Armor, 50 MR, 5% CDR, a blocked spell every 45 seconds, and an active 35% aoe slow that affects movespeed AND attack speed for AT LEAST 2 seconds. [u][b]TLDR[/b]: [/u] [[Randuin's Omen]][[Banshee's veil]][[Atma's Impaler]] 2192 more gold than Atmogs LESS: 545 health, 15 hp/5 and about 10 AD MORE: 375 Mana, 75 Armor, 50 MR, 5% CDR, a blocked spell every 45 seconds, and an active 35% aoe slow that affects movespeed AND attack speed for AT LEAST 2 seconds. Now, discuss. (if you feel other item combinations that rival, feel free to suggest, but please include costs, and stat differences.) [/quote] That's about right, and I love that this is happening.[/quote]

[quote=Nighthawk]Atmog's wasn't nerfed that hard. Warmogs is probably still really sronk. TLDR[/quote]

[quote=Searz]Warmog is still strong. Just not OP anymore.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]It's either still strong or still OP, it wasn't nerfed enough to make it a bad choice. It's probably almost to the realm of "Not a mandatory buy for tanking" right now. I think even just 100 HP hit to Warmogg's may bring it down to a reasonable level and bring other items up in viability as well.[/quote]

[quote=example1013]How about this for a TLDR: Warmog's, Randuin's, Atma's 300 more gold than yours LESS: 50 MR, effect shield, 375 Mana MORE: 895 HP, 40 HP/5, and ~17 AD You're talking about using 2 items to ALMOST reach the overall effectiveness of one item, both of which are clearly more situational. Warmog's is the only item of the ones mentioned that retains full effectiveness against every type of damage: physical, magical, and even true.[/quote]

[quote=AncientNecro]The items that add up to Atmogs are going to help you more and come quicker mid game. Plus, you'll finish it much faster. I'd much rather get the benefit of Atmogs (even after nerf it's still great) sooner than have to focus on farming 2K more gold during teamfight phase.[/quote]

[quote=Zeprido][quote=example1013] How about this for a TLDR: Warmog's, Randuin's, Atma's 300 more gold than yours LESS: 50 MR, effect shield, 375 Mana MORE: 895 HP, 40 HP/5, and ~17 AD You're talking about using 2 items to ALMOST reach the overall effectiveness of one item, both of which are clearly more situational. Warmog's is the only item of the ones mentioned that retains full effectiveness against every type of damage: physical, magical, and even true. [/quote] Atmogs itself is situational. This is a combination that rivals it in terms of situation which has more versatility.[/quote]

[quote=DuffTime]I don't think we should even be thinking in terms of combos to be honest... Atmogg's was never the "Every game best" combo but people used it every game.[/quote]