League of Legends (LoL) Question: Why's Statikk Shiv a Good Weapon on ADCs?

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Why's Statikk Shiv a Good Weapon on ADCs?

Asked by Linear on December 9, 2012

Wouldn't be better? It's just a difference of 300 gold.

Answers (8)

(111) |

Rose said everyone in high elo is building it so I guess >.<

(2057) |

Doesn't matter, DPS is still lower with Shiv, even if you are moving 100% to charge it. Not to mention the AoE is magic damage, ADCs don't spec for Magic Pen and thus the 30 natural MR that most champs have would reduce the efficiency of the AoE by 23% (see Warlemming's post). The math above is calculated without resistances.

(266) |

It's not exactly hard when AD carries should always be moving to reposition. Especially on Ashe with her kiting kit.

(2057) |

At most Shiv can do 100x(Crit Multiplier) = 260ish damage. That means that every 5 attacks (if you're moving... A LOT), you can deal 260 damage to surrounding targets of the opponent you're right clicking. The original target will receive the DPS of 639 from the build, and the 40 DPS from Shiv AND the surrounding enemies will also receive the 40 DPS.

(2057) |

Yes, this includes critical strike damage:

IE SS BT LW: 693 + 20.4-40.9 (lowest value is unmoving, highest value is moving)
IE PD BT LW: 781

In the first build you're dealing that damage as AoE, in the second, you're dealing that damage to a single target.

(266) |

It's not just AoE damage, it's AoE damage that can crit. IE crit damage boost + Shiv crit + group of people = Lol.

(353) |

Ehh idk both are good items

time will tell
:)

(2057) |

The ability to ignore unit collision hands down beats AoE damage - at least for me. For anyone who isn't 2000 elo, they'll be out of position 70% of the time, and this single aspect of Phantom makes it invaluable. In two month's time if they're still buying Shiv, I'll humbly eat my words.

(353) |

Yeah but there's a difference when one person condemns it and every single one condemns it
I agree though pros aren't always correct.
It's just the way the pros play are almost always the optimal way because of their knowledge of the game.

(2057) |

Just saying, a well known high elo person of this site condemned the use of and then changed their minds once presented with the math. Pros can be right about some things and completely wrong about others.

(353) |

They almost always are lol

There's a reason why most pros don't even bother to calculate all the math. It's because they realize that it's pretty much impossible to factor in the value of all the stats that the game revolves around.

(2057) |

"Let's copy the pros, they're always right."

(353) |

Yeah basically everyone is building it second.
Aoe clear + burst poke + the items it builds from all good reasons
It's a great tool for splitpushing and farming while also being able to have large presence.

If you're super fed. . . try buying both. it's a fun time.

(2) |

tested it today and i dont think its stronger than . the lightning has a pretty small range, so most of the time, i hit only 1 or 2 champs with it. also, its really weak in 1vs1. i was fed like crazy and still we both died when i 1vs1 the enemy .
And while gives u a really nice gold income, it provides only really bad stats for the price. therefore i wouldn't recommend

(163) |

And Khazem said the aoe can crit, I just went ahead and built it since I was ahead yesterday, gotta test it/see it for myself :P

(1495) |

10 AS%, 10% crit chance and ignoring collision versus a total of 400-800 magic damage proc in team fights. Does that help put it into perspective?

(21) |

That's for , I was asking about stattik shiv.

(247) |

Wave clear + AoE maybe?

Sacrifice some single target for some AoE.

(2057) |

Damage output is less with Shiv in the build.

IE SS BT LW: 693 + 20.4-40.9 (lowest value is unmoving, highest value is moving)
IE PD BT LW: 781

You even are doing magic damage with the proc, which is virtually useless on ADCs.

The item may be good for pushing, that's fine. But would I ever replace Phantom (ability to phase through tanks and minions) with Shiv (AoE damage, random proc of magic damage?)? No.

(19) |

The problem is the Shiv takes a long time to charge if you're not moving a lot. It gains 10 charges every auto attack, and 20 charges per 400 move speed per second, and need 100 charges to activate. On top of that, even if it was very early on and they didn't build or rune/mastery any MR, the 30 that everyone starts with reduces the Shiv damage by 23% already, and that will only get worse as the game progresses.

(9) |

o0 Magic dmg is not useless on the ADC. You go Shiv as second item. When it's that early, other ADC will not have magic res yet. Guess what? You will out-duel them. If they stand in their minion, you kill their minion quickly with Shiv proc, and then you have less minion damage on you too.

(117) |

is better on certain champions... however, provides a lot of things that phantom dancer might not. First of all, it provides an ADC wave clear potential due to its passive. Secondly, it's a cheaper item for an ADC to buy. Lastly, it is made out of a GP5.

(117) |

I'm not saying it's the main reason to pick it over . I am just pointing out the advantages of buying Stattik Shiv instead of .

(2) |

It being cheaper isn't all that good of a reason. I mean, if it was a substantial perhaps i would agree with you. But the 300 gold your saving isn't worth what your losing for most champs.

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