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This and this are why I don't main jungle any longer.
I helped my team earn kills in all three lanes and it didn't amount to ****. And in this game my team rotated rather nicely on a couple of invades by the enemy team allowing us to pick up some kills, so it wasn't like we didn't have at least some synergy with respect to what needed to be done.
I was of the opinion that Phase Rush was simply better in pretty much all cases on Darius, but yeah, Darius with Conqueror is kinda ******ed.
Laners all die multiple times to their lane opponents to the point that I can't really actually gank and the one time I do their very low health Urgot picks up a double kill by cleaning me up from 3/4 health after finishing off my Top laner.
I finally pick up a kill and the Aurelion Sol says "Wow! You finally did something!". Like bruh are you even aware of the state of the game or how Master Yi actually works?
No one bothers me in Top lane. If my jungler ganks, I try to follow up. No one pings me other than to warn me about a gank or that they are about to gank. I get to roam or Teleport when it is advantageous to me rather than trying to save some people that don't have the sense to recognize a losing situation and back off.
Seriously people. Just stay out of chat unless it is essential information or very short praise phrases/acronyms.
And leave your jungler alone. Go aggro when they are around to support you. Tell them why they should come to your lane. Setup situations that are advantageous to you and your team and let them know about the enticing opportunity.* If you are pinging in desperation it is probably too late. You done goofed. Do your best to minimize what you do lose and don't tilt the rest of your teammates by getting into chat to scream at them or ping them incessantly.
*if the wave is pushing to you when your jungler is on your side of the map or will be on your side of the map soon because they have just backed and their camps are up on your side of the map gauge how long it is going to take for the wave to be pushed passed river and ask your jungler to gank after they clear a camp or two (assuming they have time). Pls come Top first and then clear Top/Bot side jungle. Walking passed camps is really inefficient in terms of time usage. You need to let your jungler know that their is something worth doing it for.
Same deal if you setup a giant wave to push into the enemy turret. Let your jungler and or Mid laner know about the opportunity for a tower dive. In case you didn't know you slow push a wave and then fast push the next wave. This will let you march on their tower with two waves. Which means if they try to fight you they will take a huge chunk of damage from minions and it gives the tower plenty of targets to lock onto if you decide to go for the tower dive. And if you get the kill you get to deny your opponent all of that gold and XP, and maybe get the tower, so that is a potential win-win-win for you and any of your teammates that you can get to help you out.
By the same token, junglers, use your F2-5 keys to look for these situations developing around the map. Some people don't like typing or can't type fast or accurately while doing things like properly setting up a minion wave to freeze or push.
So the communication is a two way street, but 9/10 as jungler all I get from my laners is ping ping ping. Yes, I see that you are about to get tower dove and I am on the opposite side of the map. Back off your tower and I'll go counter jungle or help out the other two lanes closer to me since I can't make it to that side of the map before the dive happens.
Your jungler is under a lot of pressure to be everywhere at once especially if every lane is struggling. If they don't pick your lane, they don't. Maybe your Mid laner is the only champion on your team with a kill and no deaths so your jungler spends the rest of laning phase trying to keep them ahead/get them further ahead. So, they didn't choose your lane to help. That doesn't mean they are bad or don't want to win. They are just trying to prioritize their time where they thing they will get the biggest bang given the current state of the game.
Laners only mostly have to worry about their lane. That is less things to think about on average.
Like most of the time laners don't have to think about things like:
Oh, Top and Mid have their lane opponents shoved under their turret. Should we try a dive at Top or Mid? Should I use that opportunity to counter jungle? If I do decided to counter jungle or dive Top or Mid is there a chance that Bot lane is going to get dove since they are hugging their turret because Caitlyn and Karma are a shoving lane vs your pair in Bot lane?
You should think about all these things. It is called map awarness. As the Top or Mid laner you should think I would love to dive them and my jungler is near but we don't know where their jungler is, so that means the tower dive is riskier than it should be and there is chance that Bot could get dove if their jungler is on that side of the map. I think I'll just keep taking pot shots at their laner to deny them as much CS as possible and if the enemy jungler does show elsewhere on the map I'll have them lower and the dive will be even more likely to succeed.
I helped my team earn kills in all three lanes and it didn't amount to ****. And in this game my team rotated rather nicely on a couple of invades by the enemy team allowing us to pick up some kills, so it wasn't like we didn't have at least some synergy with respect to what needed to be done.
I was of the opinion that
Phase Rush was simply better in pretty much all cases on Darius, but yeah, Darius with Conqueror is kinda ******ed.Laners all die multiple times to their lane opponents to the point that I can't really actually gank and the one time I do their very low health
Urgot picks up a double kill by cleaning me up from 3/4 health after finishing off my Top laner.I finally pick up a kill and the
Aurelion Sol says "Wow! You finally did something!". Like bruh are you even aware of the state of the game or how Master Yi actually works?No one bothers me in Top lane. If my jungler ganks, I try to follow up. No one pings me other than to warn me about a gank or that they are about to gank. I get to roam or
Teleport when it is advantageous to me rather than trying to save some people that don't have the sense to recognize a losing situation and back off.Seriously people. Just stay out of chat unless it is essential information or very short praise phrases/acronyms.
And leave your jungler alone. Go aggro when they are around to support you. Tell them why they should come to your lane. Setup situations that are advantageous to you and your team and let them know about the enticing opportunity.* If you are pinging in desperation it is probably too late. You done goofed. Do your best to minimize what you do lose and don't tilt the rest of your teammates by getting into chat to scream at them or ping them incessantly.
*if the wave is pushing to you when your jungler is on your side of the map or will be on your side of the map soon because they have just backed and their camps are up on your side of the map gauge how long it is going to take for the wave to be pushed passed river and ask your jungler to gank after they clear a camp or two (assuming they have time). Pls come Top first and then clear Top/Bot side jungle. Walking passed camps is really inefficient in terms of time usage. You need to let your jungler know that their is something worth doing it for.
Same deal if you setup a giant wave to push into the enemy turret. Let your jungler and or Mid laner know about the opportunity for a tower dive. In case you didn't know you slow push a wave and then fast push the next wave. This will let you march on their tower with two waves. Which means if they try to fight you they will take a huge chunk of damage from minions and it gives the tower plenty of targets to lock onto if you decide to go for the tower dive. And if you get the kill you get to deny your opponent all of that gold and XP, and maybe get the tower, so that is a potential win-win-win for you and any of your teammates that you can get to help you out.
By the same token, junglers, use your F2-5 keys to look for these situations developing around the map. Some people don't like typing or can't type fast or accurately while doing things like properly setting up a minion wave to freeze or push.
So the communication is a two way street, but 9/10 as jungler all I get from my laners is ping ping ping. Yes, I see that you are about to get tower dove and I am on the opposite side of the map. Back off your tower and I'll go counter jungle or help out the other two lanes closer to me since I can't make it to that side of the map before the dive happens.
Your jungler is under a lot of pressure to be everywhere at once especially if every lane is struggling. If they don't pick your lane, they don't. Maybe your Mid laner is the only champion on your team with a kill and no deaths so your jungler spends the rest of laning phase trying to keep them ahead/get them further ahead. So, they didn't choose your lane to help. That doesn't mean they are bad or don't want to win. They are just trying to prioritize their time where they thing they will get the biggest bang given the current state of the game.
Laners only mostly have to worry about their lane. That is less things to think about on average.
Like most of the time laners don't have to think about things like:
Oh, Top and Mid have their lane opponents shoved under their turret. Should we try a dive at Top or Mid? Should I use that opportunity to counter jungle? If I do decided to counter jungle or dive Top or Mid is there a chance that Bot lane is going to get dove since they are hugging their turret because
Caitlyn and Karma are a shoving lane vs your pair in Bot lane?You should think about all these things. It is called map awarness. As the Top or Mid laner you should think I would love to dive them and my jungler is near but we don't know where their jungler is, so that means the tower dive is riskier than it should be and there is chance that Bot could get dove if their jungler is on that side of the map. I think I'll just keep taking pot shots at their laner to deny them as much CS as possible and if the enemy jungler does show elsewhere on the map I'll have them lower and the dive will be even more likely to succeed.
Absolutely. One of the points of communication can be "this lane is lost, try to help the other lanes get ahead, I'll try to keep Riven busy so she can't roam and snowball her lead.
Then you as jungler have to decide. Is there another lane that I can focus? If Riven keeps winning what happens? Do we auto lose our Tier 2 and Top side jungle control? If yes, then you need to get your Mid laner to come help you and hope to hell she isn't fed enough to 1 v 3 (sometimes they are).
And as Top laner you need to acknowledge that there was a trade. You got an Infernal Drake at the cost of your Top laner dying.
Your Top may also be aware that "you know this Tryndamere is about to hit level 6 and they are hard shoving the wave to my turret. Can I get some support in case Tryn decides to dive me?" Then you have to weigh things like, well they've been playing well to this point and they are aware of the dive potential so maybe worth or eh, they've fed the Tryn a kill or two, probably not worth trying to salvage. If they have carry Top laner with a 2 level lead, I'll point that out in chat. "They have 2 level lead, can't really gank without help from Mid." or something to that effect. If they go negative they get muted. If they AFK. Well, your probably were going to struggle to win the game anyway given the state of Top lane.
I think part of the gig is sometimes shepherding your team, either through pings or chat. That gets easier with seeing what is going on around the map, which gets better as you climb though to my understanding it is never perfect. Even Challengers "done goofed" on a regular basis, they just know how to recover better.
A slight digression though related (as in shot calling involves seeing the map and understanding the game state).
I find more often than not it is easier to shot call if you are winning. Ahead post 20 minutes and the enemy jungler shows on the opposite side of the map? "Baron!"
The hard part is how to do it effectively when you are losing as often times your team doesn't really realize they are losing or why. How do you stem the bleeding? And is our comp even capable of comeback vs their comp?
Waveclear? Check
Chat is quiet to positive? Nope. Full of griefing.
Scaling? Check
Eh, sketchy.
But if you have all three checks then you have to figure out which holes in the **** to plug.
It is sketchy if your team is complaining in chat. I feel like your odds of winning a game you are already losing are really low if your team is throwing insults at each other in chat. If I see that I'll say yes if the team starts a surrender vote or I start the surrender vote.
It is nice to have major objectives warded, but I don't see it happen much in soloqueue, even for Baron. I have to remind my team to keep a ward on Baron post 20 minutes all the time. usually by that point I have a Sweeper so I can only ward it if I have room for a
It is somewhat unusual for all three of your lanes to win. But that game probably doesn't involve the highest level decision making or to put it another way it is one of those 20-30% of the games that you are going to auto win. The question is how do you allocate your time and effort when some of youo lanes are losing, which is a frequent occurrence. Those games, and your decisions in them, will decide if you can climb in ranked.