Vynertje's Support AMA and advice thread

[quote=Vynertje][quote=Latest Legend]You just skipped my question t_t[/quote] Did I?[/quote]

[quote=Insomaniac]I had this [[Thresh]] game with a [[Draven]] against an [[Ezreal]]/[[Braum]] .. My lane gameplan is to hook [[Ezreal]] , force a fight , and make [[Draven]] snowball .. But whenever [[Ezreal]] mispositioned and i try to hook him , his [[Braum]] always block it with his jumpy thing .. Even in teamfights , its almost like [[Braum]] always waits for my hook .. Question : 1. Is my plan wrong ? 2. Does [[Braum]] counters [[Thresh]] ? 3. Would you suggest roaming even if a had an immobile ADC ? 4. Any champions that would make a better pair with [[Draven]] against that duo or any poke/peel bottom lane ? Thanks in advance ..[/quote]

[quote=utopus]I suppose the only bad part of your plan was that you made yourself too predictable with attempting to landing your [[death sentence]]s. Perhaps chaining some [[flay]]s into a hook would yield you better results. [b]Although I must admit, [[ezreal]]/[[braum]] is a really safe lane, that can't really be punished too well aside from poking them out of lane.[/b] Braum vs Thresh is a total skill matchup. If the thresh plays immaculately, he should win lane, and if the braum plays well, you shouldn't be able to kill him, but he should be able to kill you. Roaming less punishing to your ADC if they have some sort of dash/escape mechanism. Odds are that a [[braum]] + [[ezreal]] lane can probably zone your ADC from CS. Because of this, it is especially important to roam under the right conditions (minion wave's pushed, river hasn't been warded in a while, your mid lane has a creep wave slow pushing towards it) [[leona]] + [[draven]] is a pretty nasty kill composition. [[nami]] + [[draven]] is a pretty strong lane though. For the first part of the laning phase, the supports have total control of the lane, so your draven's lane presence is moreso dependent on whether you counter your opponents in lane, as opposed to how well he complements a given support. That said, [[nami]] is a really strong counterpick against [[draven]].[/quote]

[quote=Insomaniac][[Flay]] that [[Braum]] then hook his [[Ezreal]] ? Interesting .. [b]Immaculately[/b] ? Yeah , maybe it was just I that screwed up .. 'coz I mainly play pokey/disengage supports like [[Nami]] , [[Karma]] , and [[Janna]] .. I only picked [[Thresh]] for his kill potential and safety because I know [[Draven]] needs to get kills early and an immobile champ .. So [[Thresh]] against [[Braum]] is a 50/50 lane ? I only thought about [[Braum]] counters [[Thresh]] because we both are last picks and I picked first , and the way he handles the lane .. [[Nami]] ? That I'll try next time .. Thanks for your advice and time .. =)[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=Insomaniac]I had this [[Thresh]] game with a [[Draven]] against an [[Ezreal]]/[[Braum]] .. My lane gameplan is to hook [[Ezreal]] , force a fight , and make [[Draven]] snowball .. But whenever [[Ezreal]] mispositioned and i try to hook him , his [[Braum]] always block it with his jumpy thing .. Even in teamfights , its almost like [[Braum]] always waits for my hook .. Question : 1. Is my plan wrong ? 2. Does [[Braum]] counters [[Thresh]] ? 3. Would you suggest roaming even if a had an immobile ADC ? 4. Any champions that would make a better pair with [[Draven]] against that duo or any poke/peel bottom lane ? Thanks in advance ..[/quote] 1. No, but you can always opt to go for short trades with double empowered autoattacks or to just walk up and E them. You don't have to 100% rely on your hook. 2. Not necessarily, although he has an edge overall due to his superb counter-engage toolkit. 3. Roaming is always a good thing as long as you clearly communicate it and do it at the right moments. By 'the right moment' I mean that you roam at moments where they cannot suddenly deny your ADC a ton of CS (a few cs is fine if you make the roam work) by either freezing or zoning - or possibly even kill him. 4. I think Thresh is good, but Lulu would do a really good job in this specific situation too. Lulu Draven may seem a little odd but essentially you become a huge lane bully and you can keep draven safe in late game. Lulu overall does good against braum as well.[/quote]

[quote=Insomaniac]1. I always use my [[Flay]] Passive whenever its red to poke , but mostly on [[Braum]] 'coz he's always in-range .. 2. So maybe I should opt for a pokey support then .. 3 . The thing about roaming is that I'm worried about my immobile ADC .. He just throws axes continuously and pushes hard (I'm on Gold Leauge so maybe freezing is nonexistent here) .. 4. Don't have [[Lulu]] so maybe I'll just have to play [b]IMMACULATELY[/b] with [[Thresh]] .. =P[/quote]

[quote=utopus];D good alternative[/quote]

[quote=Fat_fast]What's your opinion on the raptor smite buff on jungle bot gank pre-6? Any good way to use the starting ward trinket in the beginning of a normal game, not one of those competitive play to determine lane swap?[/quote]

[quote=Vynertje][quote=Fat_fast]What's your opinion on the raptor smite buff on jungle bot gank pre-6? [/quote] I don't quite understand this question, can you rephrase it? [quote]Any good way to use the starting ward trinket in the beginning of a normal game, not one of those competitive play to determine lane swap?[/quote] You can just use it to defend from invades, but if you want to go a little bit more advanced you can also use it to determine where the enemy jungler is starting (gives you a lot of information for his jungle path which you can use to avoid being ganked early) or to scout and stop the enemy bot lane from doing krugs/gromp.[/quote]

[quote=Fat_fast][quote=Vynertje][quote=Fat_fast]What's your opinion on the raptor smite buff on jungle bot gank pre-6? [/quote] I don't quite understand this question, can you rephrase it?[/quote] Basically, do you think the raptor smite buff, the ability to disable ward and reveal them, poses a big threat to bot lane pre-6? [quote]You can just use it to defend from invades, but if you want to go a little bit more advanced you can also use it to determine where the enemy jungler is starting (gives you a lot of information for his jungle path which you can use to avoid being ganked early) or to scout and stop the enemy bot lane from doing krugs/gromp.[/quote] Never think of determining the enemy jungle route before, many thanks![/quote]