ELO HELL EXISTS, THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY

[quote=Vynertje][quote=Ixtellor]So if people's rank is a true reflection of their skill level then by that reasoning --- if you took a silver player and threw them into a platinum ranked game, it would doom their team. I would love to test that theory. I'm currently ranked silver 2 but I doubt anybody would notice if I was playing jungle in a plat III game. [/quote] The difference between silver 2 and plat 3 is so big, that I'm 100% sure people will call you out on being boosted within your first 3 games (depending on how your team does). If you're better than silver, you can get out of it super easily. I played at 900 Elo (bronze 3) myself and I can verify this from my own experience (also because I smurfed some games at 1/2 tiers below me, trust me it was a stompfest). I'd go even further, I'd say you lose about 70-80% of your games at that Elo as a silver player.[/quote]

[quote=Embracing]There is a huge difference as the ranks go up. It's hard to tell from a lower rank because the higher you get the more details matter, yet people at lower ranks don't notice details and what they should be doing. If you ask anyone at a higher rank they'll tell you there's a gap. If you ask anyone at a lower rank they might say there's a gap or they might say that there isn't.[/quote]

[quote=XeresAce]tbh for me it was the opposite ( I didn't really notice my improvement since I never went to where I didn't belong and it always felt equal) UNTIL I spectated a friend in silver and god... yeah, there DEFINITELY is a difference xD[/quote]

[quote=Ixtellor]So to test the theory a low level person would have to have access to a higher level account then is what it sounds like. I have lots of money, can you buy a high level account to test that theory? I think its against the rules though. I personally feel like the game is complex, but not insanely complicated. I feel like I know how to jungle. People said "know when to baron or dragon". This isn't that complicated. The problem in silver league is that people would rather chase kills, so even if the perfect opportunity arises, frequently you can't get your team to go along. I have a 2nd question --- can you be platinum 3 and be horrible at one of the positions? If I was forced to ADC , my team is in a lot of trouble. But when I can support or jungle I feel like I can lead my team to victory.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]Yes, you can climb very high while being horrible at a position or two. I for one mostly fill in SoloQ and have been playing forever so I can pretty much play every role at a diamond 5 level but am better in some roles than others.[/quote]

[quote=Sirnikolai]In Diamond, Platinum or Gold it's all about waiting it out until whoever on either team makes a mistake. If you fall for some bait your team would likely lose. I would give credit to those rightfully derserve, but in skype while playing this it would be a long ass match & the person whom made the mistake would get YELL @ lol. Soloing by yourself & jumping on other people mistakes that's how you climb up legit. Because watching those streams wow where's the action? All i see from those streams are FAILS in the beginning lol.[/quote]

[quote=Blian]well.. first of all I think this discussion whether hell division does exist or not is unnecessary. there will be always people who say you belong where you are and if you are bronze that means u s%*k at this and that. sure. and there are some of us who knows we are obviously not challengers or diamonds or not even gold1 but much more than bronze. but the thing is most of those players been ranked as diamond or platinum for a good time and they don't realize in how many ways this game has changed. i mean the community. if they had to start from scretch probably they would change their mind. pls, no offense tho. for e.g. i am a very good [[Annie]] support and can easily carry my ADC and if I feel he is safe I roam a lot to help mid as well. but when your jungler is 0/10 and your top is 1/8 while their [[Garen]] is 10/2 and [[Lee Sin]] is 8/0 around the 25th mark then even if you switch from support to APC you are still fcked. whatever you try to suggest them they just don't seem to care. or if they are struggling with farming and you ask them to hug the tower or only step in for 1-1 cs in the next sec what you see? they are dead and blaming the jungler or whoever. things like this makes it impossible to carry your whole team.[/quote]

[quote=sirell][quote=Sirnikolai]In Diamond, Platinum or Gold ...[/quote] Because you sure know what being Gold+ is about, right? Right. [quote=Blian]well...[/quote] If you deserve more, go get it, honestly. No one will take you seriously if all you are is talk. Just how many Diamond+ players have created smurfs, deliberately failed their placement games, got into Bronze 5 and climbed up to high Elo again, just to prove that it can be done? I can name at least 10 or so off the top of my head. Elo boosters CONSTANTLY boost Elo from Bronze to anything. So all this crap about 'starting from scratch probably would change their minds'? This, 'I am a very good [[annie]] support, blah blah blah, BUT... *insert excuse* ... things like this makes it impossible to carry your whole team'. Just excuses, all of it. If you're Bronze IV, you didn't just get fucked over in one game, it means you are consistently bad at the game and I will even grant you an extra 2 divisions (maybe even 3) into Bronze II or I and you would still be bad at the game- this is just something you really can't deny. I could give you may Gold account right now, tell you to play only ranked on it for a week or two and it'd probably be low Silver AT MOST after that time period. I can't believe you're a 'good [[annie]]' if you can't actually prove it and climb with it. And you want to talk about how Plat+ players don't understand how much this game has changed? Do you know what one of the MOST critical things for a high Elo player is? It's adapting to every new patch appropriately. We all saw what happened to Samsung Ozone 2 years ago during the patch change for S3WC - they failed to adapt and didn't even make it out of group stages when they were also one of the favourites to win. You can have bad games, bad days and even bad weeks where you're on a losing streak (it happened to me in Gold when I fell from Gold I to Gold IV, losing 20 ranked games IN A ROW), but if you really are as good as you say you are, you can get it (I eventually got Plat IV before I stopped playing ranked). tl;dr - if you claim to be higher tier, go get it. Talk is cheap. Excuses are lame.[/quote]

[quote=Vapora Dark][quote=Blian]there will be always people who say you belong where you are and if you are bronze that means u s%*k at this and that. sure. and there are some of us who knows we are obviously not challengers or diamonds or not even gold1 but much more than bronze. but the thing is most of those players been ranked as diamond or platinum for a good time and they don't realize in how many ways this game has changed.[/quote] It hasn't changed. [quote=Blian]for e.g. i am a very good Annie support and can easily carry my ADC and if I feel he is safe I roam a lot to help mid as well. but when your jungler is 0/10 and your top is 1/8 while their Garen is 10/2 and Lee Sin is 8/0 around the 25th mark then even if you switch from support to APC you are still fcked. whatever you try to suggest them they just don't seem to care. or if they are struggling with farming and you ask them to hug the tower or only step in for 1-1 cs in the next sec what you see? they are dead and blaming the jungler or whoever. things like this makes it impossible to carry your whole team.[/quote] Congrats, you just described [i]my[/i] bronze experience. Like I said, it hasn't changed. People go 0/10 in 25 minutes in bronze because everyone sucks, and if you're good, that means you can go 15/0 in 25 minutes. It's easier to carry in bronze because people don't know how to stop feeding, and when you're one of the players that can [i]really[/i] abuse that, you could go on a 30 game win streak from bronze 5 to silver 5 without losing a single game. Climbing in plat or diamond is [i]way[/i] harder than climbing out of bronze. But every bronze likes to think that no one else understands their pain, no one else understands what bronze is [i]really[/i] like. Well I thought the same when I was bronze, and having now played in every tier from bronze to Master, it's way harder to carry the higher you climb than in bronze. Bronze is by and large [i]the[/i] easiest tier to carry in, and if you're not carrying, then that's on you, not on bronze.[/quote]

[quote=Thalia Kael]@Sirell I agree with most of what you said. There are games where you straight out lose because of horrible teammates no matter what you do, but if you consistently play well you will climb. @Vapora Having played in every tier except Master/Challenger, I understand what you mean by saying it's harder to carry, but in my experience, the opposite can be true. It's harder to 1v5 and get a ton of kills the higher you go, but generally it's much easier to carry with utility or tanking because even your bad teammates will mostly know how to abuse it, whereas in Bronze it can be harder to carry as say Sion because nobody follows you when you go in for example and you can't always count on your teammates. I'm not sure I'm making myself clear, but that's my opinion. When I carry it's usually not by killing all their team, it's usually with things like shotcalling and objective control and stuff like that. That's why I like playing in Plat/Dia, because my playstyle is much easier to be successful with.[/quote]