Ixtellor wrote:
1) I have never once said I can't get higher. Stop repeating this lie.
No, but you are making constant excuses as to why you are struggling to get past Silver.
Ixtellor wrote:
2)I am just saying, getting to diamond is a lot harder than you are making it out to be. Why you fail to grasp that concept is insane. If getting to Diamond was as easy as play better, then a lot more people would be diamond. Do you think that 70& of people who play Ranked aren't trying to get better?
Getting to Diamond isn't actually hard at all, though it may be bold of me who was only Platinum to say it; but I also played against Diamond players and beat them multiple times in tryhard scenarios (soloq/ranked 5s/tournaments). If anything, watching the LS video should have convinced you that Diamond is easy to get if you believe the things he says on the video.
Ixtellor wrote:
Then you prove my point that mention that it used to be 85% and now its 70% --- HENCE people are trying to get better and succeeding.
Nope. It proves MY point that bad teams aren't to blame, but individual skill. You've been complaining about teams nonstop, but I'll get to that momentarily.
Ixtellor wrote:
Question: Why the hell would anyone be annoyed at a person who DOES take responsibility for their rank but still has questions?
Answer: Because you have an automatic response to **** on players and assume they are blaming their teammates even when they explicitly say they aren't blaming their teammates.
We're not assuming you're blaming your teammates, you literally are. But I'll get to that momentarily.
Ixtellor wrote:
Yes you suffer from LTP syndrome. IE What makes LoL the most unpopular gaming community on earth.
Saying you're bad at the game isn't even flaming or toxic. I was bad too and in many respects, still am. It has nothing to do with the community. It's a valid point and there's no need to be a prick about it.
Ixtellor wrote:
1) Not once ever have I said "its my teams fault" or "I would be X rank if it wasn't for my team".
Oh-ho, but you actually have. But I'll get to that momentarily.
Ixtellor wrote:
2) You can simultaneously mention that some people don't know what they are doing and NOT blame them.
I have never responded to any of your points about you get good teams and bad teams because its so obvious. Yes 50% of the time I will get a bad team and 50% as good one --- DUH.
I 100% understand that I am the only constant. When my team loses, there is something I could have done different to make it a win. When my team loses, its because I lacked the ability to carry.
I have been crystal clear that I don't believe in ELO HELL.
Yet your words belay otherwise. You have consistently implied or said that it is your team's fault. Again, will get to that momentarily.
Ixtellor wrote:
I can't not be any more concise. The fact I point out bad players doesnt' mean they caused the loss --- as you have stated 50% of your teammates are awful --- all I did was wonder why some of them are so bad why others are so good yet we are all in the same rank.
The part I underlined shows precisely that you are, in fact, complaining about your team and allaying blame to them.
Ixtellor wrote:
I HAVE TO CARRY THEM. Again, you have stated half your teams are bad --- all I did was repeat that. And since your not blaming your team, IM NOT BLAMING my team.
Momentarily.
Ixtellor wrote:
Wrong -- I stated over and over and over "I'm not good enough to consistently carry those games (50% by your own words) where my team has the bronze V CS'er on it"
Rephrase: My team is too bad and I'm not any better, so I can't carry. You can blame yourself (not good enough to consistently carry those games), but you also blame your team (my team has the Bronze V CS'er on it).
Ixtellor wrote:
I have problem typed that phrase 50 times now. But your LTP beer googles always edits it to "my team prevents me from climbing"
Me "I'm not good enough"
You "Stop blaming your team"
WTF?!?
Me "I'm not good enough"
You "Stop blaming your team"
WTF?!?
To reiterate, you can blame yourself, but you also blame your team too for not being better. They're not mutually exclusive. But what you emphasise many times is what other players are doing rather than yourself. But momentarily.
Ixtellor wrote:
Because he isn't reacting to what I'm saying he, AND YOU, are reacting to your own bias -- which never appear in the actual discussion taking place.
Yes, he is, since he addressed your post directly. And my bias? Oho, momentarily.
Ixtellor wrote:
How is that any ****ing different than "If an NBA player can do it, why can't you?"
Why not? If I liked basketball enough with a passion, I have no doubt that I could train to compete in top teams . To put it in personal terms, I'm a dancer. I have no doubts that if I train, I can mix it up with the best b-boys in the world. Now, it may not actually happen, but it's certainly possible
Ixtellor wrote:
I don't know you. I don't know why your a top 5% player. Maybe your extra dextrous, maybe you have a solid stable of duo partners, maybe you never forget to use your items, maybe you have good mehcanics, or map awareness, or whatever the 10,000 other variables might be.
Blah blah blah, excuses, excuses, excuses. All those things are available to you too.
Ixtellor wrote:
Look at the number of views of LoL tutorials. Clearly a lot of people ARE trying and aren't making it.
Didn't we just establish above that players are getting better, lol?
Quoted:
'I can't do it because other people can't do it'? How do you explain that I got from Bronze/Silver to Plat? Like, I don't think you're dumb, but if you're trying to argue with logic, your logic is just clearly flawed.
Because I never said that. Strawman.[/quote]
Then why constantly bring up statistics completely irrelevant to personal improvement? Just what relevance does the fact that 70% of people are below Gold to your personal ranking journey?
Ixtellor wrote:
The fact other people can't make diamond has nothing to do with me. It's just evidence that "IT ISN'T EASY TO GET ABOVE GOLD"
Why you refuse to accept its difficult to get into platinum is beyond insane.
Your response "But jim did it, therefore its easy" <--- logical fallacy.
Why you refuse to accept its difficult to get into platinum is beyond insane.
Your response "But jim did it, therefore its easy" <--- logical fallacy.
Nope. Jim did it, therefore it's possible. It just also happens to be easy if you know how. But you don't ask. At least, not in this thread.
Ixtellor wrote:
The only excuse I have ever given is "I'm not good enough to consistently carry teams at my rank".
Oh, there's more, but later. Again, I have yet to see you ask anyone here for real help.
Ixtellor wrote:
Maybe my fingers are too fat, maybe I have a slow computer, maybe my brain is incapable of processing information fast enough, maybe my wife threatened to divorce me if I play more than 4 games a week, maybe I suffer from nacrolepsy --- none of these are true. But there are literally thousands of reasons of why a person may not reach the top 1%. Exactly like every sport on earth.
There's a gamer who's got no ****ing hands and he's Gold+ (I forget his name). There's an entire world class dance crew called Ill-abilities Crew who are made up of people with physical disabilities and huge handicaps. There's a fat guy who's doing flips and airflares and splits.
Ixtellor wrote:
By your logic, why aren't you on team CLG?
Your logic "To busy making excuses not to be!"
Your logic "To busy making excuses not to be!"
Nope. I'm simply not good enough. It would be an excuse to say, 'I'm not in an LCS because the head coach hates me, CLG is NA and I'm EUW, I'm a better support than Aphromoo, but DoubleLift says he has better synergy with Aphro, etc etc', basically blaming the everything around me rather than just straight up admitting that the one sole reason is that I'm not pro standard. But there's no actual earthly reason why I can't become good enough of the standard of a top team if I tried. True, it might not happen even if I tried (say CLG already got a full roster and isn't looking for additional team members), but the more important thing is that it's possible to aim and achieve the top. And if you learn how to, there's no such thing as Elo Hell bad teams.
Ixtellor wrote:
I didn't miss the point of the video, I just didn't want to continue typing a novel.
Again, I get what he was saying, I was just being miserly with word count.
Again, I get what he was saying, I was just being miserly with word count.
From what you have been writing, you clearly missed the point.
Ixtellor wrote:
You make it sound like his coaching strategy is believing in yourself. I have watched a lot of his videos and I get what he is teaching.
You CLEARLY missed the point.
Ixtellor wrote:
Which is exactly what I have been saying for 5 pages now. You just refuse to read my words.
Momentarily.
Ixtellor wrote:
Number of times I said its my teams fault: 0
The number of times I said it was my fault: 43 (Thats a slightly hyperbolic guess, but the point stands)
Number of times I have mentioned I have bad teams = to the number of times you have said "you are going to have bad teams". Mentioning bad teams is a reality, half your teams are bad and half are good. Stating a fact doesn't equate to blaming.
Here we go. One way or another, you are blaming the environment for why you are not a better player.
A number of times you implicate your team as a major reason you lostIt's like you're trying to have your cake and eat it. On one hand you say, 'I don't believe in Elo Hell' and the other you're saying every literally every cliche thing that comes out of the mouth of someone who advocates Elo Hell. It's actually pretty ridiculous to discuss with you because it sounds like even you don't know what you're saying.
I'm pretty much done.
tl;dr, just stop caring about what team you get and focus on getting better.
Ninja Trigger wrote:
If you are stuck there why continue to play ranked? Instead you should try working on your weaknesses in normal blinds, or normal draft picks, then once you have refined your skills jump back in ranked, and kick some ***.
I shouldn't say "stuck". I really just don't have the time for it so I shouldn't do ranked at all. It makes me sad though. I'd like to pull through but in the last 3 weeks I started placements and gone 4W/4L. 8 ranked games in 3 weeks doesn't bode well for me pulling through. :( Darn work, making money is a drag lololz. Thanks for the advice though :D
Teemoshy wrote:
I shouldn't say "stuck". I really just don't have the time for it so I shouldn't do ranked at all. It makes me sad though. I'd like to pull through but in the last 3 weeks I started placements and gone 4W/4L. 8 ranked games in 3 weeks doesn't bode well for me pulling through. :( Darn work, making money is a drag lololz. Thanks for the advice though :D
NP I'm in the same boat due to life, work, and a ton of other things going on right now. So I don't have the time to put into League how I use to play. I have yet to even play one of my placements this season. So I have just been practicing mechanics and landing skill shots in ARAM, not the best place to practice but there is no tension there, also URF is out now. So when I do land the time to play that is where I will be spending the most amount time for the next week or two.
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My only wish in life is to experience bronze 5.
Spawning in the fountain next to my fellowship of bronzies.
Running to lane with a ADC Urgot with AP runes and utility masteries.
The sweet sound of "an allied has been slain" and the icon of the furious red buff that has once again outplayed the impure citizens of the rift.
Flashes being used for unexplained reasons.
The poetry that is being exchanged by fellow summoners in the poetry chat system.
Is it a dream or will Slappiz someday rule the glorious battlefields in the magical world of bronze V.
Srs, I want a bronze account!
Spawning in the fountain next to my fellowship of bronzies.
Running to lane with a ADC
Urgot with AP runes and utility masteries.The sweet sound of "an allied has been slain" and the icon of the furious red buff that has once again outplayed the impure citizens of the rift.
Flashes being used for unexplained reasons.
The poetry that is being exchanged by fellow summoners in the poetry chat system.
Is it a dream or will Slappiz someday rule the glorious battlefields in the magical world of bronze V.
Srs, I want a bronze account!
Phil Collins wrote:
Lol not true ^
It is tho.
At higher elos people rage, and still say things like "gg this is lost I'm afk". But they still try to win more often than not.
Bronzier players will often lose any motivation to do well after someone on their team give fb.
Half the battle is staying calm and motivated.
I don't play LoL anymore.
Jimmydoggga 2.0 wrote:
Ive got two but none on EUW.
And its not nearly as good as you think it is, or as good as it was in S2 or S3.
And its not nearly as good as you think it is, or as good as it was in S2 or S3.
I played in bronze 5 to 1 in season 4 and I had a blast. From AP Ashe to full attack speed Poppy, it was hilarious even though not very respectful towards real bronze players.
Thank you Byron for 2014's loudest laugh up till today
My opinion on this "Elo hell" nonsense:
It's ********, through and through. Elo hell ends up being wherever you are as long as you feel like you deserve to be higher, whether you are willing to admit you think you should be rated higher or not.
Other stuff:
It's ********, through and through. Elo hell ends up being wherever you are as long as you feel like you deserve to be higher, whether you are willing to admit you think you should be rated higher or not.
Other stuff:
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-Mechanical skill, game knowledge, willingness to make calls when it's needed, and many other factors can contribute to where you are. I win more games when I am assertive and make calls like "we need to take x objective before we go back after that ace" than when I let my anxiety take hold and don't talk hardly at all.
-Stop worrying about your allies' mistakes, period. If you can identify more of their mistakes than your own, you're part of the problem. If you feel like you played a game and made no mistakes, you definitely need a reality check.
-There is always something you can learn from a game, win or loss.
-There's more to climbing than being good enough to "carry the noobs" or support mains like me wouldn't win a single game in low Elo.
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If you are stuck there why continue to play ranked? Instead you should try working on your weaknesses in normal blinds, or normal draft picks, then once you have refined your skills jump back in ranked, and kick some ***.
As far as ELO Hell Goes, this conversation/thread really is beating a dead horse +repped as well.