7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=I want to be a Blitzball]Why would you pick [[Varus]] when [[Jayce]] is superior in most match ups? Varus is an adc, and does better on bot where he at least got a support. He could proably do well in certain matchups, but with so many junglers bringing cc he's just not as safe. Jayce brings a higher dps with [[Hyper Charge]], can disengage to a certain degree, has stronger lane presence and can punish much harder. His poke is stronger compared to Varus, considering Varus' poke is pretty much single target with it having no splash damage and losing 15 % damage per target. Also, why pick [[Varus]] when there's [[Kog'Maw]] who scales stronger, does more damage and has the stronger poke? [[Jayce]] is inferior to late game Kog poke, but spikes earlier and takes down tower easier, and he got the stronger all in laning phase. TLDR: Varus is inferior to Jayce unless you last pick it and know your matchup/their and your team, having a weaker pre-6, weaker poke and an even worse lane. Kog is the stronger poke champ and Jayce is still superior with his melee stance and ability to disengage/all in. Please teach me that theorycrafting, maybe I can impress my fellow moron-5 players.[/quote]

[quote=Blian][quote=I want to be a Blitzball]Also, what made [[Warwick]] land in the R.I.P category? Wasn't he subpar again since they changed devourer/skirmisher?[/quote] WW has the same disadvantage as Xin. Both of them are AA reliant champions which means any kind of CC delete them and you know if they don't get early kills they are useless.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Warwick isn't exactly the strongest pick but I think you guys are undervaluing him. Just build [[stalker's blade - cinderhulk]] or [[skirmisher's sabre - cinderhulk]] and [[frozen heart]] and he's already pretty useful. He has really really strong post 6 ganks and when you build him really tanky, you can afford to ult after CC is used if someone else initiates. Obviously if they have a million interrupts he's a bit harder to play, but a lot of pretty strong champions (LeBlanc, Kass, Katarina) can be shut down by hard CC, so that weakness doesn't inherently make him awful.[/quote]

[quote=Toshabi][quote=PsiGuard]Warwick isn't exactly the strongest pick but I think you guys are undervaluing him. Just build [[stalker's blade - cinderhulk]] or [[skirmisher's sabre - cinderhulk]] and [[frozen heart]] and he's already pretty useful. He has really really strong post 6 ganks and when you build him really tanky, you can afford to ult after CC is used if someone else initiates. Obviously if they have a million interrupts he's a bit harder to play, but a lot of pretty strong champions (LeBlanc, Kass, Katarina) can be shut down by hard CC, so that weakness doesn't inherently make him awful.[/quote] This is why God created [[Morgana]].[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Post 6 Warwick + Thresh ganks are also disgusting.[/quote]

[quote=I want to be a Blitzball]That's why I'm surprised that WW is placed in the trash tier. If Riv, Yi and Fiora are in tier 3, why isn't WW there? He's clearly stronger than them, considering junglers without reliable cc aren't that great[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]That is probably mostly because riot went like: Let's completly overnerf a champion for no goddamn reason. [quote=Blian][quote=I want to be a Blitzball]Also, what made [[Warwick]] land in the R.I.P category? Wasn't he subpar again since they changed devourer/skirmisher?[/quote] WW has the same disadvantage as Xin. Both of them are AA reliant champions which means any kind of CC delete them and you know if they don't get early kills they are useless.[/quote] That sounds [[udyr]] to me. One thing people complain about is that [[infinite duress]] does not apply [[the black cleaver]]. Well, after you got [[blade of the ruined king]], that has changed. I also like to get [[iceborn gauntlet]](if I got Cinderhulk instead of Devourer, otherwise [[Randuin's Omen]]) and [[wit's end]] into the combo. Gauntlet adds a good AoE tick for Black Cleaver and gives very valuable CC.[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=NicknameMy]That is probably mostly because riot went like: Let's completly overnerf a champion for no goddamn reason. [/quote] I don't know, with how his win rate was looking at the start of the season, it was pretty justified. There was a reason. I do agree, they kind of overkilled him.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]It was mostly to the fact that Devourer and Skirmisher's Sabre were completly OP combined with his ultimate, they should have just changed that and never touched him.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]I'm guessing H4x just put WW in there because he doesn't see any reason to pick him. Personally I'd much sooner take a [[Warwick]] jungle than [[Tryndamere]] though.[/quote]