7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=Mooninites][quote=PsiGuard]Cinderhulk's clear speed is fine. Warwick has really poor AoE so it saves a lot of time on autos for the small monsters. Anyway my point wasn't just that his clear was bad, but that because of that he can't stack devourer very quickly.[/quote] go play cinderhulk ww and then tell me about his clear speed[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard][quote=Mooninites][quote=PsiGuard]Cinderhulk's clear speed is fine. Warwick has really poor AoE so it saves a lot of time on autos for the small monsters. Anyway my point wasn't just that his clear was bad, but that because of that he can't stack devourer very quickly.[/quote] go play cinderhulk ww and then tell me about his clear speed[/quote] I just ran some comparison tests to Nunu in a custom. Warwick's initial clear is about 20 seconds slower than Nunu and about 10 seconds slower after Cinderhulk. Post Cinderhulk (and with some levels), the clear speed is pretty respectable for both. They both cleared all 6 camps in under 90 seconds at level 7 with Cinderhulk. I ran the same runes though so usually Nunu's first clear should be a little slower (assuming you run MS quints). I'll play some normals with it today or tomorrow to see how it feels in game. It's not like I've never [url=http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1799004991/36434279?tab=overview]tried it[/url] before though.[/quote]

[quote=PsiGuard]Ok [url=http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA/34186080]played a few more games[/url]. I didn't experiment too much with Devourer but it seems ok if you can farm and skirmish a lot but much worse in team fights. Cinderhulk's clear seems fairly comparable, possibly a little slower. Depends if you just come from another camp (with the burn fully charged) or if you start from scratch. Either way, itemization doesn't have a huge impact on his clear. I tried a lvl 3 dragon for the first two games, and while it's really easy and pretty safe, it takes a while to solo and you definitely fall behind in XP because of it. Probably not worth it unless you're in ranked 5s and you're positive your lanes can safely farm early. In soloqueue you should just get to 6 pretty fast, ganking maybe once or twice with [[stalker's blade]] if appropriate. [table][tr][td padding=5][center][b]Build [icon=stalker's blade - cinderhulk size=30] [icon=ninja tabi size=30] / [icon=mercury's treads size=30] [icon=frozen heart size=30] + [icon=spirit visage size=30] [icon=randuin's omen size=30] / [icon=wit's end size=30] / [icon=thornmail size=30] / [icon=blade of the ruined king size=30][/b][/center][/td] [td padding=5][center][b]Runes (Masteries [url=http://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/mastery-tree-planner#&tree1=1-4-2-1-0-3-0-0-1-1-0-3-0-0-0-1-0-3-0-1&tree2=2-0-0-2-0-3-1-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&tree3=0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0&v=2]21/9/0[/url]) AS [icon=greater mark of attack speed size=30] / [icon=greater mark of attack damage size=30] AD HP/lvl [icon=greater seal of scaling health size=30] / [icon=greater seal of scaling armor size=30] Ar/lvl MR/lvl [icon=greater glyph of scaling magic resist size=30] / [icon=greater glyph of cooldown reduction size=30] CDR AS [icon=greater quintessence of attack speed size=30] / [icon=greater quintessence of movement speed size=30] MS[/td][/tr][/table] Overall he's definitely weaker than most tank junglers due to the lower early pressure. Pretty strong mid-late game because of his %hp spam and how much he can heal. W steroid is pretty decent too if you're not in a double AP comp or something. I'd put him mid to high tier 3. There are a lot of solid tank junglers to choose from, but if you're in love with Warwick or something he's pretty decent.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]I firmly believe that every single jungler on that list is better than warwick, (barring jax and tryn who i removed) and that there is absolutely no reason to pick him. He is slow, is item dependent with weird build paths, (he can't go locket or glory EVER, unless he wants to be useless outside of those item actives) has 0 pressure until level 6, is mana/buff dependent, and has no gapcloser to gank either. (Meaning that they need to be pushed, or you need to flash to get an ult on them oftentimes.) His damage also comes completely from his items and sustained fights, (and you need to build mana or have a blue to fight sustained fights) and building too much gets you exploded. The only thing he really has going for him is that he snowballs hard... but that isn't a huge advantage. I'll be updating again after MSI finishes.[/quote]

[quote=Aeadar][[Singed]] is much better with the longer games and longer teamfights. I guess that's why hec and shyv are the best top laners right now, with high AoE damage being prioritized on top laners[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]u p d a t e d just in time for a patch xd[/quote]

[quote=Cooper112]Will hec jungle be any good with it now doing full damage?[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]potentially, id like to try him but hes permbanned. he'll actually be a viable flexpick into jungle now at least would appreciate a title update, not much changed this patch really[/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf]Updated the title. Didn't know how often you changed it so I didn't update it last patch and nobody reported it until now. :P[/quote]

[quote=BigBoxGamer]Urgot and Kalista tier one? lol xD Kalista's back jump got nerfed, so her kiting just became really weak, she's T2. And, Urgot, Urgot is everything that's wrong with an AD Carry, he's T3 in bot lane. Until he gets his re-work, keep that trash out of my lane. :P[/quote]