7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=H4xDefender]holy CRAP this thread exploded. taric is good simply because he has point and click stun, does decent damage, and is tanky in a meta where tanks are dominant because last whisper is garbage. grasp of the undying is insane in lane, and super underrated rn. it can save u lategame, but its really really good earlygame. thunderlords is definitely insane. that damage is way too high. its getting buffed too, which is absolutely incomprehensible to me. heal vs exhaust is entirely situational. lets say the other team has leblanc. as an ad carry, you will NEVER EVER get the opportunity to be in optimal exhaust range vs the lb. you have to use it after she has already engaged on you, and chances are you already are chunked significantly. against champs like zed or against other ad carries 1v1 though, the exhaust does give u a better fighting chance as opposed to heal. you have to take into account that heal gives you movespeed that you sometimes you use to get away from multiple champs or skillshots, even when you are full hp. exhaust does not give you this benefit. it is a purely self peel summoner, which is why heal is more consistent. there are plenty of times in lane where the support gets bursted with ignite too, you don't always have to engage on the adc if you have ample burst, so i dont know where that notion is coming from. i take different smites every game dependent on the jungle matchupp so i cant really answer that. i almost never ever take trackers in solo queue though. people dont ward heavily, so i can get away with changing to sweeper pretty late, and the warding totem provides enough wards for a while.[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=H4xDefender]grasp of the undying is insane in lane, and super underrated rn. it can save u lategame, but its really really good earlygame.[/quote] Yep, great for trades, but late-game it's just whatever. [quote=H4xDefender]thunderlords is definitely insane. that damage is way too high. its getting buffed too, which is absolutely incomprehensible to me.[/quote] Yeah, it's bonkers, and that buff, like "'scuse me Riot?" [quote=H4xDefender]heal vs exhaust is entirely situational. lets say the other team has leblanc. as an ad carry, you will NEVER EVER get the opportunity to be in optimal exhaust range vs the lb. you have to use it after she has already engaged on you, and chances are you already are chunked significantly. against champs like zed or against other ad carries 1v1 though, the exhaust does give u a better fighting chance as opposed to heal.[/quote] "My thoughts exactly." — [[Swain]][/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend]And now I know how that [[shen]] managed to stay in lane for so long under heavy poke pressure. Every Q he gets 3% of his HP back?![/quote]

[quote=Lugignaf][quote=Latest Legend]And now I know how that [[shen]] managed to stay in lane for so long under heavy poke pressure. Every Q he gets 3% of his HP back?![/quote] I'm pretty sure you have to auto in order to get health back from [[Grasp of the Undying]]. Single target spells won't cut it.[/quote]

[quote=Latest Legend]Oh, I see. Thanks for the info! Then I guess I'm all out of excuses ^^'[/quote]

[quote=GrandmasterD][quote=H4xDefender]taric is good simply because he has point and click stun, does decent damage, and is tanky in a meta where tanks are dominant because last whisper is garbage. [/quote] [img=http://i.imgur.com/Fdp7rv0.jpg][/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]shen just has insane sustain. learned a lot from the lan this weekend, going to update soon.[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Which would you think is the best final mastery for [[garen]] if you wanna go offensive? [[deathfire touch]] or [[thunderlord's decree]]? And if [[thunderlord's decree]], would be penetration or CDR better?[/quote]

[quote=OTGBionicArm][quote=NicknameMy]Which would you think is the best final mastery for [[garen]] if you wanna go offensive? [[deathfire touch]] or [[thunderlord's decree]]? And if [[thunderlord's decree]], would be penetration or CDR better?[/quote] Pretty sure he does fine with Fervor of Battle. But if I had to choose between those two, Decree and the CDR overcapping (Black Cleaver, CDR boots/or another CDR item and 10% CDR from runes)[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]Why Fervor? It only procs on auto-attacking and Garen doesn't really AA that much, or does your [[garen]] build somehow [[phantom dancer]]? Also, some math at which point [[deathfire touch]] exceeds [[thunderlord's decree]]. [[thunderlord's decree]] damage per second: 0.5-9 + 1% of bonus AD + 0.5% of AP. [[deathfire touch]] damage per second: 2 + 16.66% of bonus AD + 6.66% of bonus AP So if you can constantly proc damage, [[deathfire touch]] is definitly stronger. Now, how long has [[deathfire touch]] to run in order to beat [[thunderlord's decree]] per 20 seconds. For the base damage: 5-90 seconds For the AD: 1.2 seconds For the AP: 1.5 seconds So if you have a decent amount of AP or AD, [[deathfire touch]] is ALWAYS better than [[thunderlord's decree]], even if you just proc it once (even on AoE). Only if you have no damage items at all [[thunderlord's decree]] is better than [[deathfire touch]]. My [[garen]] has with [[the black cleaver]] and [[death's dance]] a good amount of bonus AD, same goes for early with AD runes. So, welp.[/quote]