7.4 Tier List + AMA

[quote=CrevsDaak]Guys, a minute of silence for Ryze... Now, let's take him down from the Tier One toplaners. They're limited his passive to 5 spells instead of 5 seconds which means you're actually going to have cooldown on your ultimate and that your damage is going down the hill. The nerfs on Poppy weren't huge, in fact, I dare to say that the buff they gave her Q (more AD scaling, more damage against minions and creeps) is worth the less base damage on her Q, and the E cooldown increase is good since you literally had it up all every time you needed it. The ultimate nerf doesn't mean much to me, since the difference between 1 second and 1.5 seconds is too little and you can't attack the affected enemies during that time anyway. I think she's still Tier 1 material. Also, with the introduction of the new AD Assassion item, I'm sure some AD Assassins will go up a Tier. I think Riven's pretty strong in terms of itemization right now (getting Death's Dance as 1st item is pretty solid since it gives all the stats she needs) and it will make her even more powerful. Also actually anyone can take that item and do wonders since IMO it's OP (it gives insane kill pressure in lane and then it's nice because you can delete the enemies' carries AND tanks because it deals more damage as the enemy has less health... Basically it means that it will counter Dr. Mundo REALLY HARD). [quote=utopus]Been seeing a lot of [[karma]] top recently. Thoughts on it? I think that towards the mid game she does quite a large amount of damage, and synergizes quite well with the engage / disengage heavy meta.[/quote]IMO it would be Tier 2, as she won't fit every team comp, but she's still very good, specially in top-lane where people tend to trade instead of poking (I think Karma's very good at trading vs melee champs because she can disable them with her W if they don't have a super reliable gap closer, and thus they can't get to her).[/quote]

[quote=RottedApples]i played a karma top game yesterday by accident. (miscommunications in champ select, so i swapped runes/masteries at the last second) Went against a jarvan and did reasonably well. Karma does trade very well if she isn't bursted out right away. In top lane she probably won't be bursted out right away and can trade back very well. As for how she fits into the game she is pretty strong early-mid game, starts to fall off later in terms of damage, but if you know what you are doing not as much in utility. Beyond that, while i do like the champion and think she is an ok pick now in general i don't have much more to add.[/quote]

[quote=CrevsDaak]Also with the new AD item that deals 90+25% of your missing health after 2 seconds, I feel that [[Lulu]]'s ult has become much powerful (besides one of Zhonya's component got buffed, making the AP vs. AD even more viable IMO, if AD aren't crazy broken with the new item to delete you anyway, that is).[/quote]

[quote=Mooninites]I can't really think of a reason to play [[karma]] over [[lulu]]. I think [[lulu]] does everything [[karma]] does but better. She's got pretty good base stats and a pretty solid laning/mid game but she falls off pretty hard late. She suffers from needing a whole bunch of different items but not having enough slots to complete them all. She scales really well off CDR, Spell Pen, health, and flat AP. So you're kind of caught between going [[frost queen's claim]]/[[morellonomicon]] and [[Rod of ages]]. Besides that she doesn't really have any massive powerspikes so I can't really imagine why she would be really popular in top lane other than [[lulu]] players getting banned out and still wanting to play a utility mage like her[/quote]

[quote=NicknameMy]At least [[taric]] counters [[Duskblade of Draktharr]].[/quote]

[quote=CrevsDaak][[Karma]] might fit in a team comp that [[Lulu]] doesn't. Also [[Karma]] is better than [[Lulu]] at sieges (R+Q) and can give an MS steroid and a shield to the whole team (if they are close enough, like I said, making her better than [[Lulu]] at sieges). So, if your team has 0 sieging potential (as rare as that is since there's a Nidalee every 3rd game... Anyway, chances she might be in the other team and you're stuck with jungle Yorick are always higher xD) you can pick [[Karma]] and do really well.[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]wellll i didn't see the patch coming and a few days won't be enough for me to get a great grasp of the patch, but ill still try to come out with a video this weekend just to test it out. even if you don't really follow the tier list religiously, id really appreciate if you checked it out. there are some things id like to say that are better conveyed orally, as opposed to through text.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod][quote=H4xDefender]wellll i didn't see the patch coming and a few days won't be enough for me to get a great grasp of the patch, but ill still try to come out with a video this weekend just to test it out. even if you don't really follow the tier list religiously, id really appreciate if you checked it out. there are some things id like to say that are better conveyed orally, as opposed to through text.[/quote] You can cover my things orally any time :^) On a serious note, you mention "videos" a lot but I've never seen you post any around here <.<[/quote]

[quote=H4xDefender]I've mentioned it a few times recently ever since GMD inadvertently put the idea in my head, but its been a busy few weeks for me so I haven't been able to get around to actually making them. Updating the list is easy. Recording a video and outlining what I want to say beforehand so things don't go over 30 minutes is a bit more difficult. I'll do my very best to get one out in the next few days though. I'm very ambitious, but unfortunately I'm not the best at managing time.[/quote]

[quote=FalseoGod]Oh ok, I just thought that maybe you were doing them and not sharing them here or that I had missed them entirely.[/quote]